Oh, boy, where to start?
@Kireek said:
@Coin
Listen man, if it hurts your feelings, that's fine, but Reno has gotten basically a free pass for like 6 months with nary a word said bad about it on WORA and here. It was fortunate, and lucky because no ones been so upset by the game that they have to post something on it. (Which again speaks to how well things went that the game more stagnated than collapsed)
First of all, just because I think your attitude towards this advertisement was counter-productive and made damn sure that you were aware of it doesn't mean that you hurt my feelings. I have no feelings about this one way or another, because other than having a character that I don't play much on Reno, I have no investment. But I could, if I wanted to, and I might, now that there's something to invest in. So the point I was making was that if I had been someone who could be swayed by your comments (it scares me that there might be someone like that, but I have to believe in all possibilities, no matter how remote) I may have decided not to do so and been discouraged by someone who can't actually see positivity.
I got your point, but your issue here is that I'm discouraging people from playing... Nay, I'm just relaying the facts of what happened, if that upsets you.... if facts upset you man, than I can't help you. There were problems, and if they are trying to fix them, great, but its going to require work, a lot of work, a lot of effort to get trust back and it ain't easy. If you want to sugar coat everything man, that's your prerogative, but it ain't mine. If people are going to be buying a used car- they should know things about it. If that's discouraging for people, hey, that just means you have to double down with your effort yah? SHOW that I'm full of shit, instead of complaining that I'm hurting your feelings. The best part? If I'm proven wrong, I'll be right there playing the damn game and being like, THIS PLACE IS GREAT. And hey, the staff will get the smug sanctification from that I expect them to. It's only fair.
Again, it doesn't hurt my feelings or upset me. It calls up the part of me that used to go out and run for student body just so people like you didn't get to run shit in high school, but other than that, it doesn't hurt my feelings; the only one with hurt feelings here is probably you, since you apparently have a chip on your shoulder regarding Reno's activity (despite @tragedyjones being completely forthcoming and honest about its metaplot-lacking sandbox nature from the very start).
I have spent the better part of this month posting here and trying to express my views on what I think could be done to help the MU community. Guess what, being a negative jerk in the face of someone trying to drum up activity for their game doesn't even register as a 'way to help'. You're not doing people a favor when you run your mouth; you're just discouraging them.
I'm aware of what things are like now. I've seen all the staff members in question, and I'm aware of most of the things going on as RDC says its happening. Hey, new WW staffers, great, I've seen them, they've worked on some of my jobs for me, and Reno will be prepared for 2E..
Still doesn't change whats happened and what you have to work from. If they want help doing it, hell, I'll sign up and do whats needed, I've volunteered for things before, worked on things, but it doesn't change the past and what needs to change.
It may not change what has happened, but it sure as hell makes it unnecessary for you to rant about everything that was wrong on the place where they're advertising their changes.
It's also really easy to criticize people when you're not doing shit to help. So let me put this in the most traditional way possible: when people are advertising for their game, if you don't have anything nice to say, I suggest you don't say anything at all.
Go open a thread on the Hog Pit and rail against them all you want; but actually discouraging people in the very same thread they are trying to advertise on is a pretty dick move, dude.
So sorry if that hurts your feelings.