Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning
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@Caryatid said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Dude. You just said you admitted to being a dick. You recognized you were being a dick. You have owned up to your dickishness. And yet, in her own advertisement thread, @Kanye-Qwest is not allowed to call you out on being a dick, in direct response to the dickery that you have confessed to?
There's calling out (Roz) and there's being a dick about calling someone out for being a dick (Kanye).
WTF does being a man have anything to do with the design of the game?
I was talking about @Apos (edit: who as far as I know is a man, and my apologies if I'm wrong). There's nothing more to read into this.
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@Thenomain said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
@Roz had it covered. @Meg had it covered. Hell, even I had it covered.
I mean, you had it covered in a weirdly rambling, roundabout way. Just don't call other people's things vomit? Idk man. You gave some weird explanation for saying a rude thing but also things like "my rudeness has objective backup."
Also, KQ is very aggressive on Arx about letting people have their fun when it's not hurting others or the game. You may have decided that she posted solely to take some sort of sideswipe at you, but actually what she said is something that she says regularly about stuff she wants people not to criticize each other for on the game. So maybe, like...you also think things are about you more than they are?
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@thenomain That's not all you edited! Did you change your mind about me not being a positive force for the game? Awww.
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@Roz said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Also, KQ is very aggressive on Arx about letting people have their fun when it's not hurting others or the game.
That's fair (though I disagree on the topic, and don't consider it a fault to say so), but she's asked me to tone it down, I asked her to do the same. I wasn't kidding that I can't find a single post from her about me that wasn't somehow insulting. Makes it hard to not think that it isn't somewhat about me.
For instance...
@Kanye-Qwest said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
@thenomain That's not all you edited! Did you change your mind about me not being a positive force for the game? Awww.
Regardless what I think about you, I thought it was better if I didn't make it a talking point. You know, like you asked. It looks like you're not even trying.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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It looks to me like you're deliberately antagonizing her and then trying to blame her for reacting to it, personally.
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Also to be clear. I didn't do the ansi posted. This isn't relevant to the conversation at hand except that I don't want to muddle things and stuff.
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@Sunny said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
It looks to me like you're deliberately antagonizing her and then trying to blame her for reacting to it, personally.
I genuinely have no desire to do so as I didn't mention her until she mentioned me. Throw some examples my way in PM (god, get this bullshit off this thread), if you would. Please keep in mind, if I thought I was antagonized first, whose responsibility does it become to stop?
I've always been of the mind that it should be everyone involved. She's continued to antagonize me even after I stopped. My response to it was measured and not antagonistic. Really not seeing it.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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It genuinely seems so obvious to me that I don't know how I could provide examples, I'm sitting here looking at the posts. If it's really not your intention to be a jerk, maybe just don't come in the Arx thread and piss on things any more? I don't have anything helpful I can provide you with, sorry.
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In spite of alt-facts, I hadn't until the ANSI. And that is less "pissing on things" and more "rolling of the eyes". Like I said before, I'm not going to stop mild criticism of bad design choices, and don't think this kind of shit-storm should ever come out of one. I'm at fault for not picking my words more carefully, but I do think I could make a case that I'm not the only guilty party for blowing this out of proportion. At worst I'm one-half of it, and I thank people like you for trying to stop it rather than spinning the tea-cup ride faster until everyone wants to throw up.
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@Thenomain said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
I'm at fault for not picking my words more carefully, but I do think I could make a case that I'm not the only guilty party for blowing this out of proportion. At worst I'm one-half of it, and I thank people like you for trying to stop it rather than spinning the tea-cup ride faster until everyone wants to throw up.
This isn't the tea-cup ride, though.
This is like R. Kelly and Chris Brown butt-fucking: absurd; sad; and mildly horrifying.
It feels like the hurts.
Arx is a really good game, though.
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For those using Potato who would like to play the game, but do not like ansi: Go to Options on the top toolbar and click that shit. You'll then want to go to'Configure Program Settings. Then mash that Display option on the left of the window that comes up. This will drop down the Display menu and you'll want to choose the ansi colors option. A new window will come up. You'll see an option with a checkbox that reads: Allow Ansi Colors? If you uncheck that box...badda bing, badda boom. Your world is in black and white again. Super win. ((Final edit. Wanted to make sure this was complete and helpful.))
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@Thenomain said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Am I going to stop pointing things like this out just because one staffer can't handle negative feedback from someone she doesn't like? No. Sorry. Arx is a fine game designed by a fine and level-headed man. It needs some serious work on its educational files (is there anything explaining the "reflection" or whatver the nickname for the land beyond death is yet?), but he knows this. He's failed to insult me, has talked me off the roof, and so I trust his judgement.
I clearly don't mind you making this about me, @Kanye-Qwest, but you really should stop. The game doesn't need this much defending, and certainly not from me.
It's not my game though. It's our game, and I include players in that 'our' too. Anyone that is contributing and collaborating on the story and investing their time is part of that, and by any metric @Kanye-Qwest are enormous and are a reason the game is as popular as it is. She spends all her time creating RP for other people, and constantly thinking of ways to help people with their stories, going out of her way constantly for people she doesn't know, and sure you guys flame each other on message boards but that doesn't make that any less true.
And I think her point is valid since she's protective of people being wrong-funned out of doing something, and it's so damned easy to do it in this hobby since everyone just runs on enthusiasm. Like for example, saying, 'I am not a fan of that color scheme. It's hard to read and don't care for it'. That's unobjectionable and even helpful. Saying, 'That is horrifying, never do ansi again. It is bad and you should feel bad' is mighty objectionable. Replace 'ansi' with writing or roleplay and you suddenly have people who hate each others guts and are chased out of the hobby and it's just so unnecessary.
I'm fine with people being extremely blunt in criticisms of me, but I would definitely ask people in game not to do it to others, and have. Like I see it all the time, and fortunately not much on Arx, but oh lord does it happen. Someone runs PRPs, they get bitched at, they stop. Head staff start out with the best of intentions, they run inclusive events open to everyone, they get bitched at, they retreat to private RP with just their friends and shut out new players. Head staff quit because of negativity. And so on. I'm not going to change how i do things because of people bitching at me but of course I'm sensitive to it since I see how incredibly destructive it is when people have to be practically begged to put themselves out there, and retreat the moment they get chided.
some fucking idiot who people only like because he's good at taking credit for the work of everyone under him, just like every other fucking L&L headwiz.
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This is why I call it your game. I honestly believe without your level-headedness and your ability to calmly identify issues and respond to them, that Arx would probably not survive. It may not be yours in the sense that you are the head of all decision-making, but yours in the sense of being the foundation.
Likewise, if your game has a non-trivial population who are against a certain behavior, I trust through experience that you would address it. I'd imagine that you have considered pros and cons to the issue and probably have a stance. These are responsible actions that make games not only look fantastic, but be fantastic. You recognize that perfection isn't going to happen, and identify the places where "good enough" is good enough.
That you refuse to call it yours checks the very last item on the "great staffer" checklist: You feel a responsibility to the game above your own desires; it's not YOUR game, it's THE game and you have your role in it. That role even seems to want people like me to be a part of it, and that's someone being so much bigger than I've been that I can't help but point it out.
I know you're here to help the game, but don't underestimate your own importance in it.
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@Kanye-Qwest is a better story teller than me, and frankly better with people. That might be hard for you to swallow, but it's the truth. I get lost in minutiae, and she has a far better macro perspective- and she can recognize that talking some assholes down from ledges is a mistake, if they are toxic to the game environment and just not a net contribution to the game.
I feel like your compliments of me are disingenuous, and are only said in a backhanded insult towards her. Arx would not survive without her, and I kindly ask you to stop. And if your only interest in the game is to try pick at someone you have a personal beef with because she's embarrassed you here, then please do not play.
some fucking idiot who people only like because he's good at taking credit for the work of everyone under him, just like every other fucking L&L headwiz.
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(i'm not a better storyteller than you, but take an upvote anyway!)
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My words are sincere, else I wouldn't have bothered to use them. The world is messed up enough without intending to make it worse.
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FWIW, I have known Thenomain for a fairly long while on and off. We argue a lot and agree on... well, not a heck of a lot, sometimes. In all that time, though, I have never known him to blow smoke up someone's ass or issue a false compliment, or one meant to undercut someone else.
Oh fucking well.
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@surreality said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
FWIW, I have known Thenomain for a fairly long while on and off. We argue a lot and agree on... well, not a heck of a lot, sometimes. In all that time, though, I have never known him to blow smoke up someone's ass or issue a false compliment, or one meant to undercut someone else.
When I signed up to staff on TR I had to pick the bit's name after a city where a disaster had taken place. I picked Waterdeep because of course I did.
At which point Thenomain asked if we were scraping the bottom of the barrel for names now! Screw you, Theno! That was a perfectly good name. I shall be silent no longer.
-Arkandel, who's carried this inside him for years.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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looks back over the last two dozen posts
Is this really a fight over ANSI?
You all need a hobby.
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@Arkandel said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
@surreality said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
FWIW, I have known Thenomain for a fairly long while on and off. We argue a lot and agree on... well, not a heck of a lot, sometimes. In all that time, though, I have never known him to blow smoke up someone's ass or issue a false compliment, or one meant to undercut someone else.
When I signed up to staff on TR I had to pick the bit's name after a city where a disaster had taken place. I picked Waterdeep because of course I did.
At which point Thenomain asked if we were scraping the bottom of the barrel for names now! Screw you, Theno! That was a perfectly good name. I shall be silent no longer.
-Arkandel, who's carried this inside him for years.
Man, I was a real asshole. UNLIKE NOW.
I would've told that jerk "and what country is 'Thenomain' in, huh?"
