Speaking as someone who played on a game that wasn't RfK when it closed the first time, I can honestly say that those players felt entitled. Whatever game they were on wasn't RfK and they let everyone know it. ICly and OOCly. Which is how I've always seen Mu* Entitlement; the game can't close, I'm still having fun! Although not nearly as extreme as the example I gave.
If we're discussing all this perhaps Arrow should be in the conversation; the original (justified in my eyes) discontent over how crappy it got some time in season 3 was then compounded by absolutely rabid fans either shipping or detesting Olicity - the coupling of Felicity Smoak and Oliver Queen. It got pretty bad as apparently death threats were sent to Stephen Amell's RL wife along with anyone else who'd speak against the shipping.
It's pretty toxic even by fandom standards.
@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
If I played on a Teen Wolf MU, the character I would want has been gone for like three seasons, anyway. >.>
Jackson?
It's like you know me or somethin'.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
It's like you know me or somethin'.
Do I? DO I REALLY? >.>
@Arkandel: Doubly hilarious or perhaps sad, Olicity just won the Ship of the Year at the MTV Fandom Awards.
There's this one dude on a game I play on who constantly rants about hating Olicity and what he feels is the over-focus on Felicity in general to the point where he calls it "Felicity and Friends".
He's perfectly entitled to his tastes, but I do wish he'd stop shitting on everything other people happen to enjoy. Is the entitlement mine in this case, or is it his? Or both? Who knows. I file it under "It's okay to not like things but don't be a dick about it."
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
-- Hamilton: An American Musical
@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
It's like you know me or somethin'.
Do I? DO I REALLY? >.>
Yeeeeeesssss..?
And Arrow is just badly written. With or without Olicity, it's horribly written.
@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Fanbase entitlement:
@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:
I would consider the Bradley Cooper thing a whole special separate breed of stupidity, and that is thinking actors are necessarily anything like a character they have portrayed.
Maybe, though I think it comes from the same place of fanbase expectation. It's just a different arena of fanbase than a lot of us here typically engage with when we talk about this stuff.
To me it is a pretty big difference, a huge one in fact. Not liking what a writer decided for a fictional thing and expressing that is one thing.
Conflating an actor with the character the portray, is at best abject stupidity at worst certifiable mental illness.
RE the Arrow thing, and death threats to me that far crosses the line as well, you are no longer stating an opinion about a piece of media but doing something i feel should get you locked up by threatening the life of another.
I will always be all for a fan saying X writer ruined x thing they suck or even they are the worst person who ever personed, however once a fan threatens harm then it is a whole different scenario.
I totally understand Destiel and see it rather blatantly in the show -- or at least back when I watched it, I stopped a season or two ago -- but I honestly never saw Sterek in Teen Wolf. I really enjoyed the show when I watched it, but I've always been a little baffled at that ship's popularity. And I'm someone who enjoys slash and noncanon ships plenty!
(And the Supernatural team totally does queerbait their fans.)
@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:
There's this one dude on a game I play on who constantly rants about hating Olicity and what he feels is the over-focus on Felicity in general to the point where he calls it "Felicity and Friends".
I would watch the shit out of "Felicity and Friends". Can we have that? Can that actually be a thing, maybe? Because all that needs is a dash of cheeky Merlin banter and some Flash cast cameos thrown in once in a while to be totally worth it.
Now I gotta grump some because we will probably never get that, but dangit... I want it now. Really kinda a lot. Why can't that be a thing? <sigh>
I think I learned two new terms today..."ship" and "shipper".
I get that it's not about FedEx.
A few years ago when the last LoTR movie came out someone was babbling about how they thought Samwise and Frodo should have gotten together. I asked, "What the hell are you talking about, they were together in most of the movie?" Then when it was explained they wanted to see them kissing and going at it, I went "Ackk!" Now if Peter Jackson did have Frodo and Samwise doing the nasty, I think I would have been "entitled" to a refund or at least a free bottle of eye bleach or a memory wipe.
@Tyche said in Fanbase entitlement:
I think I learned two new terms today..."ship" and "shipper".
I learned those (too long ago) in yon ancient days of livejournal.
I envy you so much right now for those years of blissful ignorance.
Oh no not the dirty act of people being interested in the potential romance of two characters! HOW AWFUL!!!
@Roz Not the interest -- it's like any other interest in a story. It's the actual defining oneself by what romantic pairing one enjoys that kills me, and that it's just not enough any more to simply like a thing for being enjoyable. Everybody has to join a faction all of a sudden. It makes me really not like liking things as much as I once did.
I don't mind people focusing on relationship but I do hate with a passion all the stupid relationship names every feels the need to create. It was annoying as hell with real celebs for fictional characters it is about 1000 times worse.
@Tyche said in Fanbase entitlement:
I think I learned two new terms today..."ship" and "shipper".
I get that it's not about FedEx.
A few years ago when the last LoTR movie came out someone was babbling about how they thought Samwise and Frodo should have gotten together. I asked, "What the hell are you talking about, they were together in most of the movie?" Then when it was explained they wanted to see them kissing and going at it, I went "Ackk!" Now if Peter Jackson did have Frodo and Samwise doing the nasty, I think I would have been "entitled" to a refund or at least a free bottle of eye bleach or a memory wipe.
@Roz said in Fanbase entitlement:
Oh no not the dirty act of people being interested in the potential romance of two characters! HOW AWFUL!!!
People are apparently really pissed about what they did with Batgirl in The Killing Joke, and they've every right to be, from what I've heard.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
@Ganymede said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Roz said in Fanbase entitlement:
Oh no not the dirty act of people being interested in the potential romance of two characters! HOW AWFUL!!!
People are apparently really pissed about what they did with Batgirl in The Killing Joke, and they've every right to be, from what I've heard.
It sure sounds like they made a gross thing even grosser. CONGRATS, MOVIE MAKERS.
So, thanks HBO, then.
@Thenomain said in Fanbase entitlement:
Prediction: This thread will be about how entitlement is bad and specific examples about how people have acted in an entitled manner. No debate about if entitlement is bad will take place.
Exception: Ganymede will make a probative statement about either definition or practice, and will largely be ignored.
Bemused astonishment: Sometimes, you make me want to play an Elcor.
I am just going to leave this here, because I laughed, and it seems like the right place.
No no, see. First Blade shows up, and kills all the pretty teenage vampires. Then the Winchesters show up and kill Blade. Best series finale ever.
