@Kanye-Qwest
I don't consider anyone who gets paid to make up stories a victim unless someone is actively stalking them.
otherwise they are just people that other people are commenting on their work.
@coin
Lick me where I pee. (Note I purpose wrote that instruction unclearly to add extra annoyance.)
@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Kanye-Qwest
I don't consider anyone who gets paid to make up stories a victim unless someone is actively stalking them.
otherwise they are just people that other people are commenting on their work.@coin
Lick me where I pee. (Note I purpose wrote that instruction unclearly to add extra annoyance.)
No. I don't know you. That's only for people I know and like (a lot). You entitled prick.
See? It works.
@Coin
No entitlement there. I did not expect you to not do I think you had any obligation to.
though that was a nice effort.
@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Coin
No entitlement there. I did not expect you to not do I think you had any obligation to.
though that was a nice effort.
It's an insult. Doesn't have to be accurate. Didn't you ever go to gradeschool, pooperman?
@Coin
I did but I have matured since then and this is not the hog pit so I will refrain from name calling in kind.
@Arkandel said in Fanbase entitlement:
I don't even know if it counts as fanbase entitlement or just general inability to cope with the reality that actors aren't their characters but...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/entertainment/bradley-cooper-chris-kyle-dnc-trnd/
TL;DR: Bradley Cooper got booed for appearing at the DNC because how dare he when he played a conservative icon in American Sniper?
I think it's definitely a certain variety of what we're talking about in this thread, and it's probably instructive to consider it in the same context.
I would consider the Bradley Cooper thing a whole special separate breed of stupidity, and that is thinking actors are necessarily anything like a character they have portrayed.
I'm guessing the Teen Wolf thing is something akin to Wincest and Destial stuff in Supernatural? I kind of adore that the writers of the show purposely poke the bear there over and over, and even address it within the story. Like when Sam and Dean found Wincest stuff on the computer based on the book series by Chuck, and Crowley continually calls Cas Dean's boyfriend. Wonderful subversion of rabid fandom.
@BetterNow said in Fanbase entitlement:
I'm guessing the Teen Wolf thing is something akin to Wincest and Destial stuff in Supernatural? I kind of adore that the writers of the show purposely poke the bear there over and over, and even address it within the story. Like when Sam and Dean found Wincest stuff on the computer based on the book series by Chuck, and Crowley continually calls Cas Dean's boyfriend. Wonderful subversion of rabid fandom.
A little bit, yes. With less actual incest.
Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.
@BetterNow said in Fanbase entitlement:
I'm guessing the Teen Wolf thing is something akin to Wincest and Destial stuff in Supernatural? I kind of adore that the writers of the show purposely poke the bear there over and over, and even address it within the story. Like when Sam and Dean found Wincest stuff on the computer based on the book series by Chuck, and Crowley continually calls Cas Dean's boyfriend. Wonderful subversion of rabid fandom.
I wish it were that clever. The Sterek thing on the show's side was queerbaiting, as was the is he/isn't he question of Stiles' sexuality. For the former, the show teased it to keep those shippers watching but never ever promoted anything overt. As to the latter, the show runner is mum on the subject, the actor is convinced he's straight, the fans for whom it is important insist that it isn't up to the actor regardless.
I am less concerned with Stiles' sexuality than I am with what his first name actually is. (We know it starts with M!) My main problem with Sterek has pretty much nothing to do with the ship in principle and everything to do with the behavior of the shippers.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter because when Tyler Hoechlin left the show, any even incremental chance of it happening went with him.
@Insomnia said in Fanbase entitlement:
Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.
This also happens and happened in Supernatural fandom. There are whole swaths of the fandom that complain because the writers "shiptease" them. Carver and Edlund have been called idiots and worse.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Insomnia said in Fanbase entitlement:
Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.
This also happend and happened in Supernatural fandom. There are whole swaths of the dfandom that complain because the writers "shiptease" them. Carver and Edlund have been called idiots and worse.
One of the reasons I don't play my favorite canon Teen Wolf character on any mu*s that allow features is because just about every Stiles I've encountered wants to get Sterek'd.
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
-- Hamilton: An American Musical
I always missed that I guess. All I ever saw was how the writers loved Sam and hate Dead, or hate Sam and love Dean because, reasons. Or Dean and Castiel being the OTP.
@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
@Insomnia said in Fanbase entitlement:
Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.
This also happend and happened in Supernatural fandom. There are whole swaths of the dfandom that complain because the writers "shiptease" them. Carver and Edlund have been called idiots and worse.
One of the reasons I don't play my favorite canon Teen Wolf character on any mu*s that allow features is because just about every Stiles I've encountered wants to get Sterek'd.
If I played on a Teen Wolf MU, the character I would want has been gone for like three seasons, anyway. >.>
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
@Thenomain said in Fanbase entitlement:
Prediction: This thread will be about how entitlement is bad and specific examples about how people have acted in an entitled manner. No debate about if entitlement is bad will take place.
Exception: Ganymede will make a probative statement about either definition or practice, and will largely be ignored.
I got these two flipped. Still, pretty good for a nonsense post becoming a nonsense discussion about how nonsense the English Language is.
I'm calling this a win. A weak win, but a win.
@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:
I would consider the Bradley Cooper thing a whole special separate breed of stupidity, and that is thinking actors are necessarily anything like a character they have portrayed.
Maybe, though I think it comes from the same place of fanbase expectation. It's just a different arena of fanbase than a lot of us here typically engage with when we talk about this stuff. I find it useful not to disconnect them too much in my brain, at least in terms of how I view it. While I don't think 'entitlement' is wrong, I do think we should all be aware of what expectations and biases we bring to what we consume, and how pretty much everything we consume is filtered through them. It's useful for me to put that into perspective when I think about how I'm impacted by a piece of media.
I think a fanbase should have a little entitlement, honestly, depending on what's going on. Like when George Lucas kept fiddling with the original Star Wars because effects were better and removing the old ones? Fans were entitled to be upset about it. That's more ruining someone's childhood than doing a live action movie about a cartoon made about toys.
No matter how entitled people get about a Mu* though, I doubt they will just jump up and hug someone running a game like they will with a celebrity. One of many articles about how celebrity is not consent. But that's how fan entitlement can go bad.
On the flipside, I've hate-watched shows that I had started out loving, not because I thought the show owed me something, but because it went so off the rails. But some "fans" hatewatch because the show isn't doing what they want. And at that point, how can they really say they are a fan?
@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:
If I played on a Teen Wolf MU, the character I would want has been gone for like three seasons, anyway. >.>
Jackson?
"If you stand for nothing Burr, what will you fall for?"
-- Hamilton: An American Musical
One of the things I heard a lot of postmortems about the RNC was how the whole thing was not the main event, that it was a celebration of Being Republican. Whether or not any of us agree with this, it does put in mind that people were boo-ing a character, not the actor. It was entirely mis-placed, but know your audience is a writer's first rule.
If Joss Wheedon wants to change his audience, good on him. I still think Drew Carey is a bit of a home-town traitor in a way that a lot of people thought that LeBron was before he came back. They built up an expectation, and it's really up to history to determine if they paid it back. I think Joss and LeBron have. I don't think Drew did, but that's in the past.
During a convention I went to with the Babylon 5 actors, Ed Wasser (who played Morden) started with: "Okay, everyone raise your left hand. C'mon, everyone. Everyone? Okay. Now wave, just like this." It got a laugh and it got us out of any mindset that he was his character.
I can't imagine how any of this applies to running a game.
