Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise

Ganymede · Sep 16, 2016, 11:46 PM

@Ghost said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

It's the ultimate, alien logic. It's a computer without computation. Goals are achieved through direct action, and there is no need for underhanded tactic. Set on a task, complete the task, continue on.

It is communism.

It is Dr. Sheldon Cooper.

Thenomain · Sep 17, 2016, 5:40 AM

@Ganymede

Direct quote from the developers. The Qun is meant to be the Islam analogue, in a rough way.

tek · Sep 17, 2016, 3:25 AM

@Thenomain If so, that's fucking offensive.

Ghost · Sep 17, 2016, 4:20 AM

Aint nothing wrong with Islam. There are plenty of recorded Islamic empires in history with similar mindsets.

Bear in mind, no one said there's anything NEGATIVE about the Qun. It's a mindset, a religion, a race of people. It's no more offensive than noting the Jedi Order was influenced by Buddhism/Hinduism/the Samurai

TNP · Sep 17, 2016, 5:13 AM

Popped in just out of curiosity (not going to play with those major characters as PCs). What the hell code base is that? It's horrible. MOO?

Ganymede · Sep 17, 2016, 5:40 AM

@Thenomain said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

The Qun is meant to be the Islam analogue, in a rough way.

That's fine, but it's not even close. As I said, the mindset of assimilation is very close to how Islamic regimes operated in the Middle Ages, but the idea of "everyone to their role" is closer to Stalinist communism.

Akurel · Sep 17, 2016, 5:52 AM

@Thenomain I always saw it as having more in common with extremes in Theravada Buddhism or Hinduism if we must make a religious analogue. Individuals are encouraged to separate themselves from desire and are locked into a caste (admittedly through evaluation than through birth). If we are speaking of governments I am inclined to see it as communist as Ganymede said or perhaps Qin legalist. The developers can "say" its Islam, but really the only thing that matches up is the idea of Exalted March as Crusades and the Qunari on a form of Jihad. So I'd be inclined to say they just called it Islam because the Chantry is a Catholic Church expy, but the Qun has little in common with the Islamic Caliphates.

Thenomain · Sep 17, 2016, 6:12 AM

@Ganymede said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

@Thenomain said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

The Qun is meant to be the Islam analogue, in a rough way.

That's fine, but it's not even close. As I said, the mindset of assimilation is very close to how Islamic regimes operated in the Middle Ages, but the idea of "everyone to their role" is closer to Stalinist communism.

And the Martin Luther analogue uses explosives instead of nailing beliefs to the door, and doesn't start a war of just the spirit. I understand what you're saying, but I don't know how that changes anything. The Europe analogue is upside-down (hotter being north). The Inquisition isn't the Inquisition. The Church started in France by a woman who freed slaves from the Ancient Roman analogue. Most of this isn't perfect, and isn't supposed to be.

I don't know what any of this has to do with the price of tea in Navarra.

@Akurel

It may be. A lot of Dragon Age is a pastiche (hah!) of European history thrown through Fantasy's blender and topped with a dollop of modernistic sensibilities.

Akurel · Sep 17, 2016, 6:22 AM

@Thenomain Perhaps this thread needs a drinking game for when anyone uses the word pastiche.

Kanye Qwest · Sep 17, 2016, 6:34 AM

@TNP said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

Popped in just out of curiosity (not going to play with those major characters as PCs).

Noooo. Someone be smart enough not to do this! I would love to dick around in a Thedas setting. Just, not with a bunch of canon characters.

Akurel · Sep 17, 2016, 6:41 AM

@Kanye-Qwest The events of DA:Inquisition would actually be a decent in game canon setting to do it in. Have the players app in as those agents performing all of those war table missions or the ones that never hit the table. Other interesting time periods or settings (for me at least) would be the Ferelden War of Independence or a Game of Dwarves. Or hell, be mercs running around the Free Marches.

On the note about canon characters I can tolerate them. I understand the appeal, but would never want to play one.

Ghost · Sep 17, 2016, 6:31 PM

I just want to get an idea on how likely it is that IF I play, that my char would just be supporting cast to canon character PCs.

Any players wanna weigh in on this? I would prefer to look before I leap.

TNP · Sep 17, 2016, 9:45 PM

The King and Queen of Ferelden are listed as PCs along with all the other major characters from the games. Take it as you will.

Kanye Qwest · Sep 17, 2016, 9:45 PM

Lame.

Akurel · Sep 17, 2016, 10:45 PM

Smoke and Shadow also did/does the FC thing. I don't understand the trend, but apparently its a thing.

Ghost · Sep 17, 2016, 10:56 PM

Pass.

9/10 times games have canon characters in ICly ranking roles, they are divvied up amongst staff or friends of staff, and the rp circulates around their inner circle.

Kanye Qwest · Sep 18, 2016, 12:22 AM

Not only that, but a glance at the site indicates Anders is chillin in Skyhold? With Cassandra? And I guess she hasn't broken him in half and tossed him over the wall for Reasons. If you are going to insist on playing canon characters, play them.

TNP · Sep 18, 2016, 1:39 AM

I wondered about that myself. Seems Anders was separated from Justice and pardoned.

Thenomain · Sep 18, 2016, 1:39 AM

@TNP said in Dragon Age: Dread Wolf's Rise:

Seems Anders was separated from Justice and pardoned.

If this isn't all but proof that staff are making a game to play their favorite characters and little other reason, I don't know what is.

fatefan · Sep 18, 2016, 2:27 AM

Wasn't someone a few months ago plotting out a Witcher-themed game? Between that idea, the recent Black Company thread, and broad interest in Dragon Age, it seems like someone needs to respond to the exigence for a gritty fantasy game...