Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed)

[Arkandel]

@Ghost said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

Good luck on you and your friend's 7th Sea game, you lifeless fuck.

Can we please try to stay 'mildly constructive' here?

[surreality]

@Ganymede Honestly, no. This was mine. I considered handing it off to a friend before when I was having issues with someone else, but this one's mine. And it's too much mine for me to do that and not feel substantially more fucked up than I do. I had several hundred hours in on this thing, and it was still nowhere close to having its framework and documentation finished. This thing was 'all the stuff I have been hacking away at conceptually' for the better part of three years (edit: and the story world and game system I started working on when I was still in high school). It's very much mine.

[Ganymede]

@Thenomain said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

@Ganymede said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

Sorry, @Thenomain.

Yes, because I know who you're going to ask for code...

I meant, I'm bumping our Mass Effect project.

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@surreality said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

Honestly, no. This was mine.

That's fine. @Thenomain can breathe again.

[Ghost]

Recognizing when someone a lifeless troll fuck joins in on a 'Mildly Construtive' topic to discourage the OP and fuck around with everything is constructive.

Here's constructive for @bored : if you're so triggered into not trusting people and have all of these big opinions about rude people in the hobby, then act like a mature fucking adult and don't BE one of the people you claim to hate. You came into this thread to troll, to promote your 7th Sea preference, and sprinkle shit all over someone else's idea until they had a panic attack, said fuck it, and abandoned their creative work that didn't have shit to do with you.

Immature troglodytes like you are the reason people get all kinds of squicked in this hobby, or on these boards, and I hope a bear shits in your mouth.

That is fucking constructive. Fuck that guy.

[surreality]

@Ghost Dude did not give me a panic attack. @shangexile can whack off to actually having accomplished that, however, I guess.

@bored was just being Eeyore, throwing out one worst case scenario after another in ways that, unfortunately, do need to be addressed when they're brought up, unfortunately.

[Ghost]

@surreality ugh, either way, I'm more in your court. The number of self inflicted wounds by people trying to find rp only results in stupid OOC shit that ruins everyone's fun. The Hobby's fine, but truly, I'm getting pretty fed up by the negging/predatory/drama queen types that chase the sane people out of the hobby.

[Thenomain]

@Ganymede said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

@Thenomain said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

@Ganymede said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

Sorry, @Thenomain.

Yes, because I know who you're going to ask for code...

I meant, I'm bumping our Mass Effect project.

I know, but I would have ended up coding it, for the same reason that you would have finished it.

[Arkandel]

@Ghost It is not. Constructive is asking them to stop and notifying an admin to take action if they think it's beyond the forum's rules.

Calling people names in the name of justice is not constructive.

[surreality]

@Ghost I don't think he's doing things to promote his own thing. Keeping on with that isn't helping matters. Besides: more games is better. I hope his things works, just like I hope @Lisse24's game works.

I don't care if somebody doesn't like what I'm doing... so long as that's what I'm actually doing. When they're tilting at windmills and dragging me along as Sancho Ponza, however, well, welcome to the wonderful world of a complete waste of time.

[Ganymede]

@Arkandel said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

It is not. Constructive is asking them to stop and notifying an admin to take action if they think it's beyond the forum's rules.

I suppose @Ghost could have simply pointed to this post from @bored a week ago:

Several people comment how they don't play, and just kind of participate here. To me this is a hint of how little there is to actually enjoy in the hobby any more. Most games have the same problems they always have, good RP is painfully scarce, and little of what you can scrape up is worth the effort. Of course, a lot of this is due to a change in personal standards of effort/reward compared to games getting worse, although there are factors on that side too (very sandboxy games, etc).

I obviously count in the above category, except that I don't even post here that much. And when I do, it's primarily to be negative. So I probably haven't moved on as much beyond the WORA mindset as I'd like to think, which is on me. Then again, I think there's a lot of people like me; it's just a matter of the degrees to which people go to veil their vitriol in politeness.

To amend @Ghost's comment, perhaps: "Immature troglodytes like you who freely admit that they are here to be negative and cannot find any reason to continue to remain an active participant in the hobby, yet still feel compelled to arrive and take a shit on others' ideas, are the reason people get all kinds of squicked in this hobby, or on these boards, and I hope a bear shits in your mouth."

Constructively, I sincerely hope @surreality changes her mind, comes back, and finishes her work. Or, if she doesn't, that she has a splendiferous time hopefully not having to defend her work against people that, by their own admission, don't give two shits about her success or failure.

[Meg]

I am sorry, surr, that this thread burned you on the idea of continuing with your game. It was honestly a game that I would have wanted to check out and play on.

[Ghost]

I'm exiting the thread, but I want to let it be said that when someone who's made a post seeking constructive input that she's worked hard on, for a game idea, getting nitpicked until she says "fuck it" and walks away, leaving the rest of us to look forward to the upcoming games run by the people who henpecked her to death...is not constructive.

What we end up with is a dwindling pool of new ideas and an environment defended by a handful of reliable long-timers and a growing population of people who have succeeded in chasing others off.

What happened in this thread was absolute horse shit, and while it may sound like Hog Pit, that is a constructive synopsis.

Peace.

Edit: and, yes, I hope she changes her mind, too. I would have played my ass off on that game.

[Arkandel]

@Ghost said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

I'm exiting the thread, but I want to let it be said that when someone who's made a post seeking constructive input that she's worked hard on, for a game idea, getting nitpicked until she says "fuck it" and walks away, leaving the rest of us to look forward to the upcoming games run by the people who henpecked her to death...is not constructive.

I don't disagree. And believe me that I like @surreality a lot more than @bored, whom I don't know at all.

Either we have rules we kind-of sort-of try to adhere to or we don't. Tossing them aside when it's a friend involved, even if they are right, is wrong. If you had criticized @bored severely but civilly I wouldn't have said a thing.

See you on other threads.

[Ghost]

@Arkandel Fair enough. I need to reel it in a bit. I just hate seeing people do predatory things and then get what they wanted out of it.

See ya 'round. My continued presence in this thread won't be constructive. Thanks for gibbsmacking me into ducking out.

[Paris]

@Ghost said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

I'm exiting the thread, but I want to let it be said that when someone who's made a post seeking constructive input that she's worked hard on, for a game idea, getting nitpicked until she says "fuck it" and walks away, leaving the rest of us to look forward to the upcoming games run by the people who henpecked her to death...is not constructive.

Just shows me where I won't play (or recommend); but also, there is still too much WORA mentality splashing shit all over folks who just want to have fun.

I suggest to surreality to open her game anyway, since the best response imo is to have a successful game. I did, and it's been great.

[bored]

@surreality said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

@bored said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

OK. I clicked through the one link you gave and skimmed a couple lines and there was something-something about rape (and his handle is shang related).

REAP, not rape. That is not a typo. Dude would create a character, play for like... two days, then +suicide the character only to repeat the process (endlessly) for like... years. So he got the nickname 'the serial REAPist, because he... kept reaping his characters over and over again. Like it even says in the damn post.

Ok. Again, I clicked the link, skimmed a second, and then went back. I read it incorrectly and correlated it with other posts you've made about sexual harassment/stalkers/etc. It was an error. Your 'guy who trolls me likes you therefore you=troll' logic is still not actual logic..

And if you had said "I don't like aliens/Cthulhu' instead of 'it's always end of the world plots and Cthulhu (when the latter isn't even a thing)', not a peep. Nope, you went to assumption land.

Except that's a total re-framing of events, not how they actually happened. You reacted to that post in a fairly polite and friendly way (read your post immediately following it), explaining that you were going for something different from how Cthulhu stuff normally occurs (say on TR, whatever). Our discussion was still polite and non-trolly at that point. Only in retrospect have you decided to re-frame things as @bored = poo flinging troll monkey shitting everywhere for the entire thread. This is the same technique as Gany, manipulative lawyer-ing.

And if people didn't begin with completely ignoring what I asked folks to focus on and didn't insist that a single bar that not every character on the grid would access would be an enormous problem, maybe we wouldn't be here.

You have a pirate themed game where some (probably large) portion of the game will be able to breathe water, while another will not. I don't think I or anyone else was crazy to bring up this issue. You've assured us you're aware of it and will be careful, which is fine. That doesn't make us trolls for bringing it up.

This is not being defensive.

I'm sure.

No, I am annoyed as hell.

You're annoyed because you're being defensive and I'm not capitulating, and it's really obvious (see: omg someone is upvoting him, what the hell?!?!?!). You want the last (negative) word, which is basically never how it works. Either you get to fling shit in the monkey pit, or you get to be mature and walk away, you don't get both.

I specifically and explicitly did not show off the project, and stated so clearly. If I was showing off the project, you'd have a link to the wiki. You do not.

That's odd, I thought you posted stuff about a game including a summary of inspirations and vague outlines of the setting and races.

Again, you're trying to play a game here, where you want to show something and want to talk about it but then you want to define it as not-that-thing so people cannot talk about it.

I asked three questions based on a series of general criteria, the end. You have not been shown shit other than a logo image, you rampaging jackass.

Honestly? Fuck you, and fuck this.

You're going to handle the stress and criticism of running the actual game really well, I can tell.

[Paris]

[deadculture]

@Ghost Which friend's 7S game?

I'm always years late to the party when the fun stuff happens around here.

[bored]

@deadculture

Mine that will never happen because you and other people are too lazy to help His thesis is that I am criticizing @surreality to sink her game as potential competition to my likely-will-never-happen game.

[deadculture]

@bored Yeah, I don't even know you had a site to begin with. I've been insanely busy and I'm mostly out of sorts with all things MUSH related; this is like a brief visit to something that's just not meaningful to me anymore.

DM me with the link and I'll definitely check it out, though.

As for that thesis, that is funny. You've always been a pretty hard critic of everything.