@Thenomain Speaking of trust, there are comic writers who are fairly celebrated but I don't get it. Jeph Loeb is my go-to guy; just about anything he puts his hands on turns to shit. He took one of my favorite series of all time - Mark Millar's Ultimates - and the drop in quality was immense and immediate.
And yet he kept being given new titles and opportunities.
@Arkandel I feel that way about Bendis and Remender. Bendis at least has books that I've enjoyed, but mostly when he's either creating new characters or taking ones that haven't been used in forever and kind of rebooting them (Miles Morales, Jessica Jones). Every time he's been put on a book with characters I already loved, he goes wildly OOC with them. Drives me crazy. Remender's work is just awful to be me across the board.
@Thenomain I don't adjust my pull all that often -- I probably add more than I subtract -- so I can say it's not a weekly adjustment or anything. I drop books once I stop being entertained by them, but more often that's more of a "Eh, I'm just not into it" than a "WHY IS THIS AWFUL."
It's actually the most frustrating when I find myself taking major issue with a writer I otherwise really like. (See: Gillen on Iron Man. He's not the only one, just the one I think of first.) I'm just like
@Thenomain said in Comics Stuff:
If that isn't a plus, I would make it one. "Okay, bored with Cap for now, oh damn William Gibson has written a comic!"
See, comics for me seem like one of the more transient ways of absorbing entertainment. You don't have to be ADHD with them, but it helps?
This may be a very good way of looking at it. However it is not one commonly found in the fanbase.
I would say comics fans, myself included, tend to be far more OCD about them then ADHD about them.
Edit to add: I know I would add a lot more to my pull then I dropped. The dropping was usually done by the company when the series ended more then by me when I would get sick of it. Sadly this was true even when I had lost interest in a series. The force of momentum is strong especially when backed up by I have bought the first 100 + issues of this series I will ride it to the bitter end.
Thankfully the new trend of starting series over at the drop of the hat gives me a lot more jumping off points.
I was actually really bummed that I couldn't stop buying Cap when this happened but I already stopped buying Cap back when Remender was shitting all over it.
I've basically already upvoted everything @roz said about the whole kerfuffle so I don't know that I need to say more. I was pretty furious when I read an interview with Spencer that addressed the anti-semitism thing directly and he was basically like, "Just trust Brevoort! He's been in the business for years! He wouldn't let me do anything to destroy the character!"
Man, fuck you, I'm not gonna trust Brevoort. The last big dumb anti-Semitic thing that happened in comics was Remender on Brevoort's watch and he was just as dismissive then as he is now.
WHY ARE YOU GUYS ALL SO CLUELESS. COME ON MARVEL I GIVE YOU SO MUCH MONEY.
@saosmash said in Comics Stuff:
The last big dumb anti-Semitic thing that happened in comics was Remender on Brevoort's watch and he was just as dismissive then as he is now.
I've not read anything about that. What happened?
@Arkandel said in Comics Stuff:
@saosmash said in Comics Stuff:
The last big dumb anti-Semitic thing that happened in comics was Remender on Brevoort's watch and he was just as dismissive then as he is now.
I've not read anything about that. What happened?
They revealed that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't really Magneto's kids, and when someone asked Brevoort why he went along with removing the Jewish heritage of two of the most prominent Jewish characters in comics, he was like, "When has their Judaism even been important?" Which made a lot of people unhappy, particularly Jewish readers who'd grown up happy to see characters who share that aspect of their background that Brevoort kind of says they just -- made up the importance of. (It's also weird that he says they can be more legitimately Roma now, as if their mixed Romani/Jewish heritage meant they were somehow lesser at both.
Brevoort's just always pretty stunningly dismissive in general. I find him tiring at best.
@Roz What wut? Pietro and Wanda aren't Magneto's children any more?
Uhm, what about House of M? Age of Apocalypse? What the hell, why are they shitting on 50 years of history plus big fairly recent big events based explicitly on the premise he was their father?
Is making headlines at all costs that important? Do these gimmicks actually work?
Up next: Peter Parker murdered Uncle Ben in an act of insurance fraud to fund his scholarship!
@Arkandel said in Comics Stuff:
@Roz What wut? Pietro and Wanda aren't Magneto's children any more?
Uhm, what about House of M? Age of Apocalypse? What the hell, why are they shitting on 50 years of history plus big fairly recent big events based explicitly on the premise he was their father?
Is making headlines at all costs that important? Do these gimmicks actually work?
Up next: Peter Parker murdered Uncle Ben in an act of insurance fraud to fund his scholarship!
Settle down, Beavis. First of all, their being Magneto's children was a retcon in the first place. Second, Wanda has the power to rewrite reality so she can literally retcon herself.
I'm a rodeo clown.
I still remember thinking how Lame it was that they made Polaris Magneto's daughter too.
It's like: People can have related powers, and not be related.
Stupid.
Magneto was related to the Maximoff twins for the same reason Norman Osborn and Flint Marko were briefly related: Hair.
@Arkandel said in Comics Stuff:
Speaking of trust, there are comic writers who are fairly celebrated but I don't get it. Jeph Loeb is my go-to guy; just about anything he puts his hands on turns to shit.
Except when it comes to putting out comic book adaptations to Netflix, apparently.
That shit has been gold. Like, serious gold.
My only input is to bring up the portrayal of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. There are a lot of stories, and some of them conflict with one another; however, there are core attributes that do not change. What they did to Captain America is the equivalent of Jesus returning with a bad comb-over and an orange spray tan.
I realize that there were many apocryphal tales that were removed from the New Testament, but a lot of us prefer to forget Mina Harker having sex with Allan Quartermain.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
@Ganymede said in Comics Stuff:
a lot of us prefer to forget Mina Harker having sex with Allan Quartermain.
... I hate you.
@Ganymede said in Comics Stuff:
a lot of us prefer to forget Mina Harker having sex with Allan Quartermain.
But Sean Connery is the sexiest old man alive.
For serious.
And I am not even into men.
@tragedyjones said in Comics Stuff:
@Arkandel said in Comics Stuff:
@Roz What wut? Pietro and Wanda aren't Magneto's children any more?
Uhm, what about House of M? Age of Apocalypse? What the hell, why are they shitting on 50 years of history plus big fairly recent big events based explicitly on the premise he was their father?
Is making headlines at all costs that important? Do these gimmicks actually work?
Up next: Peter Parker murdered Uncle Ben in an act of insurance fraud to fund his scholarship!
Settle down, Beavis. First of all, their being Magneto's children was a retcon in the first place.
While that's true, their being Magneto's kids was the center of a whole lot more character and plot for decades -- a hugely long time in comic book years -- than anything they had going on paternity-wise before.
@Arkandel said in Comics Stuff:
Up next: Peter Parker murdered Uncle Ben in an act of insurance fraud to fund his scholarship!
I would totally read an alternate universe series based around this premise, though.
I have a question since I stopped reading Marvel before this retcon, who are Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's parents now?
Did it go back to being the pair of Golden Age heroes, Whizzer and Miss America (Robert and Madeline Frank in civilian IDs) or Magda and some other non-magneto dude or somebodies else entirely?
@ThatGuyThere Marya and Django Maximoff. Oh, also they're not mutants anymore, they were experimented on by the High Evolutionary and that's how they got their powers. ??????????????????????????
@Roz
Thanks for the info. A part of me has to wonder if this decision was not at least partially motivates by Marvel/Disney not having movie rights to the X Franchise and wanting to get those characters more firmly in the Avengers non-mutant side of things.
@ThatGuyThere It's certainly what everyone thinks.
@Thenomain Speaking of trust, there are comic writers who are fairly celebrated but I don't get it. Jeph Loeb is my go-to guy; just about anything he puts his hands on turns to shit. He took one of my favorite series of all time - Mark Millar's Ultimates - and the drop in quality was immense and immediate.
And yet he kept being given new titles and opportunities.
