POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check

[Thenomain]

Notice: I am responding to something from pages and pages ago.

Notice: I am kind of the opposite of a superhero comic book fan. I have liked a lot of the movies, because they are fun, but when it comes to theory I’m not there.

1. I watched a video of Movie Bob explaining, at length, the Lantern Corps. It was concise, positive, and made me excited for this concept that came out of, essentially, “make anything as long as it’s green and doesn’t effect wood”. I mean, except for the Sexy Color, I like what they tried to do. Would be interested to see where that goes.

edit: Part One, Part Two (the one with the Emotion Spectrum explained for us newbs).

2. I’ve told him this personally, but I would have no contention playing a multiverse mash-up as described by @coin. One of the things that absolutely scares me away from any roster system is that not only that you may have history there that you weren’t aware of and having to negotiate hooks severed with other parts of the game, but it’s entirely possible to play it wrong and mostly this is no longer that character, it’s now another authors take on that character.

This may explain why I can’t get into superhero comics.

[Wizz]

@Thenomain said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

One of the things that absolutely scares me away from any roster system is that not only that you may have history there that you weren’t aware of and having to negotiate hooks severed with other parts of the game, but it’s entirely possible to play it wrong and mostly this is no longer that character, it’s now another authors take on that character.

This may explain why I can’t get into superhero comics.

There seems to be two groups of superhero MU* creators/players:

1. "Purists," who create and play games set in one specific franchise at one specific point in the publication of one specific series and GOD HELP YOU if you haven't bought issue #374 Vol 2 and didn't read the editor's response in the letters column IN THE ORIGINAL PRINT RUN which explains Magneto's real motivations because fweqnf;PENFWQNIKN

2. Fun people.

[Coin]

@Wizz said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Thenomain said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

One of the things that absolutely scares me away from any roster system is that not only that you may have history there that you weren’t aware of and having to negotiate hooks severed with other parts of the game, but it’s entirely possible to play it wrong and mostly this is no longer that character, it’s now another authors take on that character.

This may explain why I can’t get into superhero comics.

There seems to be two groups of superhero MU* creators/players:

1. "Purists," who create and play games set in one specific franchise at one specific point in the publication of one specific series and GOD HELP YOU if you haven't bought issue #374 Vol 2 and didn't read the editor's response in the letters column IN THE ORIGINAL PRINT RUN which explains Magneto's real motivations because fweqnf;PENFWQNIKN

2. Fun people.

3. Trolls who enjoy 2. but really love tof uck with 1.

[tangent]

@Wizz Do they actually have games where they stick that close to canon? That hasn't been my experience on any of the games I've played, but I certainly could be wrong.

Also, @Coin created #3. He is the OG #3

[Wizz]

@tangent
I was exaggerating for the laffs but I think most people who play these games could recognize that general attitude.

[tangent]

@Wizz I'm sorry, man, I just went and re-read and realized I totally missed the joke. And, alas, I just proved your point. So embarrassing.

[Coin]

@tangent said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Wizz Do they actually have games where they stick that close to canon? That hasn't been my experience on any of the games I've played, but I certainly could be wrong.

Also, @Coin created #3. He is the OG #3

This one time some dude was being super pretentious about reboots and he called Superman: Earth One a "reboot".

I told him it wasn't a reboot, it was an alternate continuity. Reboots imply something is getting sent back to its origins while this specifically was, you know, a different take on Superman's origins.

He was super condescending. So I did my best pit bull impression and I bit down and didn't let the fuck go until he got SO FRUSTRATED he compared me to Hitler and left the game, and never came back.

Ugh, the good ol' days.

[Rook]

@coin for Most Awesomest of Everything.

[Coin]

@Rook said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@coin for Most Awesomest of Everything.

I gotta admit, it was super satisfying.

Especially because he then went on WORA and lambasted me and kept calling me a dictarotial nazi, etc., and people just kept referencing Godwin's Law (which I had, when he originally did it, which prompted his leaving in a huff).

I mean I'm a dick sometimes but I try to aim my vitriol and trolling at bigger jerks than me.

[Thenomain]

@Coin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

I mean I'm a dick sometimes but I try to aim my vitriol and trolling at bigger jerks than me.

The field of targets is so small that you have to enjoy it when it happens.

... joke! Joke!

[Ominous]

@Autumn said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

Like, at the start of the game everyone is in the level 2-4 range, and stories revolve around rescuing cats or beating up low-level minions or cleaning up after a more powerful NPC like you're the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Then time passes and people advance and new characters come in at the current level range, and the scope of the game shifts so that after a year or so everyone is level 7-9 (or whatever). Now the stories assume that everyone's an experienced adventurer and things are about exploring unknown regions or being an elite strike team for the government or whatever. Then some more time passes, and in another year or so everyone is level 14-16 and the game is about traveling the planes and overthrowing tyrannical nations and fighting the Lich King. And then the game ends and maybe a new one restarts in a different setting.

This made sense in old-school D&D, since your character was basically living all the death defying parts of Indiana Jones mixed with the greatest battles of World War II every week of the year. After successfully staying alive through a year of that, you would be a bad-ass veteran too. However in Old-school school D&D, the top level was around 10, so there was definitely a cap that kept people from being one punch man.

@Coin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Rook said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:
I mean I'm a dick sometimes but I try to aim my vitriol and trolling at bigger jerks than me.

You are the Dexter of Jerks.

[Rook]

@Coin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Rook said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:
I mean I'm a dick sometimes but I try to aim my vitriol and trolling at bigger jerks than me.

Your quoting is messed up. I didn't say what you are attributing to me, just for the record. I don't even know how to spell vitriol.

[Coin]

@Rook said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Coin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Rook said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:
I mean I'm a dick sometimes but I try to aim my vitriol and trolling at bigger jerks than me.

Your quoting is messed up. I didn't say what you are attributing to me, just for the record. I don't even know how to spell vitriol.

And your quoting is messed up since it doesn't include @Ominous in it.

OHHHHHH HOW'S THAT CROW TASTE, HUH

[snicker]

[Social Diseases]

I just want a canon Marvel game set on Utopia and in San Francisco.

I dunno what that has never happened.

[Tempest]

@Social-Diseases said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

I just want a canon Marvel game set on Utopia and in San Francisco.

I dunno what that has never happened.

Too many MUers are hipsters who hate canon or just think telling somebody 'no' or limiting concepts/character options is a grievous crime. You're not allowed in MUing to tell other people their ideas are fucking retarded, or you're the ' wrong fun police'.

What do you mean I can't play Batman but as a woman who is gay and makes sure EVERYBODY knows that ALL THE TIME. In fact, being gay is the focal point of my Batman's entire character. It's what she fights for. Also her parents didn't die, because she saved them at the age of 5. But she's still Batman.

No, not Batwoman. Brucilla Wayne, Batman.

[Bobotron]

@Social-Diseases
You mean an X-Men game set in Utopia, don't you?

Single-sphere supers games seem to be about as rare, and hard to get people for, as single-sphere WoD games. Unless your genre is made to only be mutants, like the movie-based games... people will expect to be able to somehow make any other marvel hero fit into San Francisco and the Utopia focus.

Also, what kind of focus would you WANT from the game? Mutant terrorism and anti-terrorism? Internal friction leading to the X-Men schism?

[Social Diseases]

@Bobotron said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

@Social-Diseases
You mean an X-Men game set in Utopia, don't you?

Pretty much, but there are non-X characters you could work there.

Like, the West Coast Avengers compound was open as Avengers Academy around the same time, The Order still existed, and there are plenty of lower-key Marvel chars who'd work fine in SanFran. There are only a couple of Marvel characters you can't justify removing from the New York area, but they ARE pretty big ones.

Also, what kind of focus would you WANT from the game? Mutant terrorism and anti-terrorism? Internal friction leading to the X-Men schism?

I'd probably avoid Schism, since I thought Schism was pretty dumb. The whole Junior Hellfire Club thing.

I'd probably put the cutoff right after Second Coming and have it do what they used the end of AvX to do until they tantrum'd and had Inhumans release holy toxins that sterilized every mutant - Wanda's genocidal freakout is undone, there are mutants all over the place again and honestly I'd probably say all the depowered ones are back so there's Mutant Culture and all that awesome stuff from Morrison and Hines' District X again and so people can do OC mutants.

So I guess the consequences of mutants actually being The Future again, and of them constructing a nationstate out of wholecloth.

@Bobotron

What do you mean I can't play Batman but as a woman who is gay and makes sure EVERYBODY knows that ALL THE TIME. In fact, being gay is the focal point of my Batman's entire character. It's what she fights for. Also her parents didn't die, because she saved them at the age of 5. But she's still Batman.

yeah playing Anything Goes places makes me seriously miss canon so so so so so so so much for that very reason i mean no stop being a bigot of course it all makes sense and also there's plenty of incest in anime why shouldn't it be in comics

[Bobotron]

@Social-Diseases

Re: Non X-characters

You could, sure. My assumption by wanting a Utopia-centered game was that you'd want it to be X-focused to the exclusion of all else. I like the idea of setting it post-Second Coming (maybe even post-Necrosha, which I think was after Second Coming right?) to get reactivated mutants (and maybe some revived dead mutants like how Cypher is now).

[Social Diseases]

Well, part of it's that I really liked that era of stuff. I liked Utopia and I liked San Francisco.

Part of it's that every single Marvel game ever being set in New York City is pretty lame. Some diversity would be nice. Even games that have a ton of different cities, NYC always ends up being the hub because that's the default Marvel town.

So I'd say, I don't know, X-Based but not X-Exclusive? It widens the player base some, I think.

(At one point even the fucking Eternals lived there cus of the giant Celestial that had squatters rights in a park.)

[The Tree of Woe]

If you narrow the focus too much, you risk players feeling isolated, and unable to do certain plots. While you COULD do X-Men only for instance, sometimes the X-Men team up with or fight the Avengers, sometimes they fight non X-Men villains, and sometimes Wolverine just fights the Hulk.

That said, these days a game using a canon cutoff and focusing on just one comic universe is a rare bird.

I voted NO based on the criteria you set, because what I want is a game set in one comic universe with a canon launch point and simplified apping relying heavily on +sheets and the like being moved off the MU* itself and onto a wiki, with applications being less rote typing and more a brief, logged discussion with staff about that character and what you want to do with them.