Sep 2, 2017, 5:32 PM
@Seraphim73 Never finished the books. 
The world is interesting. 30,000 pages of "and then we go here and do nothing" is not.
Wheel of Time MU(SH|X)
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@Seraphim73 Never finished the books.
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@krmbm said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
@Seraphim73 Never finished the books.
The world is interesting. 30,000 pages of "and then we go here and do nothing" is not.Same. I got burnt out and rage-y around Path of Daggers (it was my first Rage Series. Oh, those bygone days of youth). I keep meaning to go back, as I'm told Brandon Sanderson actually finished things pretty strong but...so many pages, so many characters I stopped liking three books before quitting.
I think I enjoyed it as an RP setting far more than I enjoyed it as a series of books.
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Personally I found a decent 'where I read' thread on a forum somewhere that summarized the books with commentary, skimmed through that up until I got to where I had burnt out the first time (book 9 I think?), then started reading again from where.
Because fuck re-reading the middle books where nothing happened apart from people derping around.
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I never got a chance to play any of the MU*s.
But one setting idea I think we batted around here at least once was a mirror world during the search for the Dragon. You have a sort of secret war going on between the White Tower and the Black Ajah/Darkfriends and False Dragons can pop up here and there, with the ultimate goal of fulfilling enough of the prophesies to legitimize them as the Dragon Reborn (if you die or get gentled, obvs you are not the guy).^_______^
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I'm the sort of nerd who, while playing on 4 different WoT games over 15 years, read the books (as far as they'd been written) about 7-8 times. I figured it would be nice to go back and do a full read-through when they're done.
Also, I had another possible setting idea: start on the exact same day as the books, but set it in Arad Doman/Saldaea. You have to deal with Darkfriends, wandering Aes Sedai/Warders, Children of the Light butting their noses in around the south end of Arad Doman, Seanchan, Aiel later on... and a bunch of stuff happens there, but there's room to breathe away from Rand et al.
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@Wizz said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
But one setting idea I think we batted around here at least once was a mirror world during the search for the Dragon. You have a sort of secret war going on between the White Tower and the Black Ajah/Darkfriends and False Dragons can pop up here and there, with the ultimate goal of fulfilling enough of the prophesies to legitimize them as the Dragon Reborn (if you die or get gentled, obvs you are not the guy).
Quoted because this idea is awesomesauce.
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I also really like @Seraphim73's idea for a setting. In my ideal world it would do away with Rand (and all the book characters) altogether. Maybe say it's a different timeline with a different - NPC - Dragon Reborn. But I think the Arad Doman/Saldaea area would provide a lot of easy conflict, give reasons for Aes Sedai and Warders to be hanging around a place that wasn't Tar Valon, and could theoretically draw characters from other areas more easily than a place like Cairhien.
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@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
theoretically draw characters from other areas more easily than a place like Cairhien.
Besides the fact that everyone is going to want to be Domani or Saldaean anyhow (with a scattering of Andorans and Sheinarans too).
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@Seraphim73 said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
theoretically draw characters from other areas more easily than a place like Cairhien.
Besides the fact that everyone is going to want to be Domani or Saldaean anyhow (with a scattering of Andorans and Sheinarans too).
Lies, everyone's going to want to be a Malkieri.
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@Rucket Eh. They count as Shienarans (don't tell the Malkieri I said that).
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Hmm. Maybe base it in Katar. Has intrigue/conflict with Arad Doman, near near to Toman' Head for Seanchan shenanigans, potential for Aeil searching about, trollocs from Ways, etc.
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Personally I only ever played on one WoT game that I cannot remember the name of, I foolishly let staff talk me into playing a roster type character who was secretly the crown prince of I think it was Arad Doman or Tarabon, disguised as a mere noble so that he could seek a wife abroad who would not solrely be after his princeness, or something.
I should probably not have been surprised that it was impossible to get involved in RP that did not involve noblewoman in corsets seeking partners but it did cause me to leave after all of two weeks.
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Is it enjoyable to play in a game where the 'meta' is already decided?
This is an honest question; something I've been working on mentally myself. WoT (at least in the 'normal world') is one where the story is written; and thus decided. There's a lot of ins and outs of it for players to work on but at the conclusion what happens is going to happen.
Unless the game will divert from the books; in which case just call it a damn alternate world (since there are an infinite number) and be done with it.
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@BobGoblin said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
Unless the game will divert from the books; in which case just call it a damn alternate world (since there are an infinite number) and be done with it.
I just flat out assume any game created would be doing this.
I don't have a ton of interest in playing a game that follows the books, though one that uses an event from them as a jumping off point, certainly.
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I played on Cuendillar a lot. Enjoyed it most of the time. The idea of another WoT game has my curiousity.
One small problem: It seemed that - on Cuendillar, at least - every gorram Aes Sedai was Black Ajah or wanting to be. That was annoying.
And while I know WoT is loaded with very special people and types, it really should have freaked more people out to see a Wolfbrother.
So, personally, I'd suggest keeping those two types of characters to an absolute minimum.
Also, moving the setting to elsewhere is very interesting. I'd even suggest south - Tear, Illian, Ghealdan, etc - and then you could make use of False Dragons, national rivalries and skirmishes, and Far Madding.
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@dontpanda I expect most people wouldn't even recognize a wolf brother when they saw one, weird colored eyes, ok, weird, not WTFOMGBBQ!
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@Lithium said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
@dontpanda I expect most people wouldn't even recognize a wolf brother when they saw one, weird colored eyes, ok, weird, not WTFOMGBBQ!
In the books, people were usually considered outcasts - or at least they'd be looked at askance as possibly Darkfriends. There was that one dude in a cage, but I suspect it was because he'd gone feral. And it's not always helpful to go with the Whitecloaks' response to the unusual...
Anyway, I remember playing one and people were way too nonchalant about it. But that's also one of the ways playing as players taints the characters.
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The thing that always amused me about the Whitecloaks is that people's reaction is that they are obviously crazed lunatics, but... they had a pretty good point?
I mean there basically was a Darkfriend hiding under every single rock in the books.
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@dontpanda said in Wheel of Time MU(SH|X):
One small problem: It seemed that - on Cuendillar, at least - every gorram Aes Sedai was Black Ajah or wanting to be. That was annoying.
I definitely foresee this being a problem.
Also I know MUers freak out when you bring up something like "quality control" of positions/roles.
But there are a lot of players who will want to play Black Ajah and just well...I don't have a nice way to say this, so....They aren't intelligent enough to pull that sort of thing off. Espionage on MU requires a certain level of tact that people just don't seem to have. People also tend to blow up when they get outed, even if they're being obvious as fuck.
This is different from 'oh the player isn't a doctor, but we let them roll Medicine skill to do doctor stuff!' because....
People treat a character different if they OOCly know they're 'some secretive thing' and players also suck at keeping that sort of stuff quiet OOCly. There's no 'stat' to measure that, and you can't "enforce" treating a character normal. It's like the age old -- guy poses 'HEY BABY LET'S FUCK!' and is atrocious, but then rolls seduction. Dice don't matter, the RP matters.
I really would want Black Ajah to be a thing, but I also really think it'd probably turn out horrible.
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Quality control with a bunch of special snowflakes.
And we wonder why our hobby has issues?