FCs on Comic MUs

[Ganymede]

@miss-demeanor said in FCs on Comic MUs:

All actors/actresses that have played multiple characters in the Disney universe.

I hate you.

[Lotherio]

My favorite Marvel (disney) multiple alts actress, Alfre Woodard. Miriam Sharpe in Civil War (she lost the son in Sokovia) and my favorite, Mariah Dillard in Luke Cage. And a few voices I think in animated Marvel Series.

[Ganymede]

@lotherio said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Alfre Woodard.

That's all you had to say. Her work as Mariah on Luke Cage is nothing short of Emmy-worthy. And her scenes with Mahershala Ali are tense and electric.

Daredevil was about action. Jessica Jones was about horror. Luke Cage was about drama.

Iron Fist was about reminding us that nothing lasts forever, even cold November rain.

[Tempest]

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Luke Cage was about drama.

For some strange reason, I got the impression it was about black history.

[Ganymede]

@tempest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

For some strange reason, I got the impression it was about black history.

Understanding Harlem's history is important, but the story is transcendent.

[ThatGuyThere]

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I agree it can't be applied fairly but any rule with an objective standard will be gamed.
If it is one scene ever x days, there will always be those who squat on chars having a scene in x-1 days. (Well obviously not for x=1 but you get the point. )
It just comes down to which you want to hear people bitching about inexact policy or the people following the policy but not the "right way".

[ThatGuyThere]

@kanye-qwest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Squirrel Girl is a joke, herself. She's a low powered character that somehow is always unbeatable. Off screen.

She beat Dr. Doom in her first appearance completely on screen.

[Lithium]

@thatguythere That just goes to show, that how 'powerful' and how 'weak' a given character is... is controlled by the writer. Nothing more, nothing less. Many writers don't even /try/ to keep things sensible.

[ixokai]

@thatguythere said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I agree it can't be applied fairly but any rule with an objective standard will be gamed.
If it is one scene ever x days, there will always be those who squat on chars having a scene in x-1 days. (Well obviously not for x=1 but you get the point. )
It just comes down to which you want to hear people bitching about inexact policy or the people following the policy but not the "right way".

Except we handle that. People who just bare-bones it get caught and poked in the eye. We keep all logs in a database so we can query it and look at peoples history. Right now its semi-manual to start (I'm going to automate it), but its easy to see who is bare-bonesing it and just skating by.

[ThatGuyThere]

@ixokai
How is that less unfair than leaving the rule vague?
If one scene every 2 weeks or whatever really means the activity we want even if you are still doing one scene in 2 weeks we might still boot you. Why not just say it is staff desecration from the beginning.
Both ways are open to favoritism but one add the spice of hypocrisy since the actual stated rule isn't what turns out to matter.

[Ganymede]

@thatguythere said in FCs on Comic MUs:

How is that less unfair than leaving the rule vague?

Fairness isn't the issue. Whether the rule aims to fulfill whatever objective staff has is the only important measuring stick. Seems like the rule meets that.

Fairness? I think that FCs should be online at least once a day, and should be at the very least available to RP publicly for important matters when called upon.

[Tempest]

Online once a day?

Goddamn, that's harsh, even by my standards.

[ThatGuyThere]

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I think that FCs should be online at least once a day, and should be at the very least available to RP publicly for important matters when called upon.

If that is the stated rule i have no problem with it, but if the stated rule is one vote/log every x days that is what should be enforced.

Note: I am not arguing for or against any particular activity standard, but I am arguing for stating up front what your actual standards are.

[Ganymede]

@tempest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Goddamn, that's harsh, even by my standards.

It is pretty harsh, I guess. I'm a harsh mistress. But, dammit, if I'm running a Thundercat MUSH, I'm going to want Lion-O around as often as possible.

I'd prefer once a day. Once a week would probably be tolerable. Once every two weeks and it'd be patently unreasonable for run any sort of active plot.

[faraday]

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Fairness isn't the issue.

I think the issue (which could be a miscommunication) is that @ixokai said the rule was "one log every X days" because that was fair and objective but then in the same breath said re: people who do one log every X-1 days to camp the character:

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

People who just bare-bones it get caught and poked in the eye.

That seems like an unspoken and incredibly subjective rule behind the rule, which goes against the stated goal of being "fair and objective".

And hey, I have no problem with a subjective idle rule. That's what I use. If your absence is causing problems for the game, I deal with you how I see fit. But the subjectiveness of that policy is made clear from the outset so everyone's on the same page. Making a "fair and objective" rule and then coming at people who are fulfilling the rule as written seems a bit cheesy.

ETA: Yeah it sounds like there was some misunderstanding. But since the existing policy is subjective anyway, so I'm not sure what the big deal is making it more subjective.

[Tempest]

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@tempest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Goddamn, that's harsh, even by my standards.

It is pretty harsh, I guess. I'm a harsh mistress. But, dammit, if I'm running a Thundercat MUSH, I'm going to want Lion-O around as often as possible.

I'd prefer once a day. Once a week would probably be tolerable. Once every two weeks and it'd be patently unreasonable for run any sort of active plot.

The thing is "online once a week" is like...tissue paper, in terms of how strict it is.

Once a day is too harsh. I am around/on my computer to what is literally an unhealthy degree, but even I'm going to have a day or two here and there, or a weekend, that I'm not on.

I honestly don't know if there is a way to make a good "indiscriminate, automated" type of activity requirement thing.

It just has to be eyeball tested by a reasonable staffer, IMO. Like..is that Supergirl actually doing shit, or not? No, then yank the character.

I'm a little baffled by comments along the lines of "then staff has to pay attention to what is going on on their game!!!!!!!!" That's uh...kind of your job, as staff.

[ixokai]

@thatguythere said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@ixokai
How is that less unfair than leaving the rule vague?
If one scene every 2 weeks or whatever really means the activity we want even if you are still doing one scene in 2 weeks we might still boot you. Why not just say it is staff desecration from the beginning.
Both ways are open to favoritism but one add the spice of hypocrisy since the actual stated rule isn't what turns out to matter.

Except the stated rule includes the statement that 'simply meeting the minimum requirements is not sufficient', and there's never a situation where "we might still boot you".

No one loses their character, ever, without a warning. In the case of a single month, the warning is automated. Every time you log on there's a clear statement of the status of all of your alts (and this status is visible to everyone).

Even once you hit the violation period, you are only purged if you haven't been on in weeks. If you've been on, as long as you're not booked, we reach out to you and give another, direct warning.

It isthe stated rule that 'just doing minimum is not sufficient'. That's the stated rule. One a month, but if you repeat just minimum over time, then you get another warning. This has been very rare.

@thatguythere said in FCs on Comic MUs:

am arguing for stating up front what your actual standards are.

We do. The 'minimum over time is not sufficient' is not some arbitrary thing we enforce -- its right in the policy file.

@faraday said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Fairness isn't the issue.

I think the issue (which could be a miscommunication) is that @ixokai said the rule was "one log every X days" because that was fair and objective but then in the same breath said re: people who do one log every X-1 days to camp the character:

The policy has two parts:

1. Minimum: 1 log per month.
2. Meeting only minimum over time is not sufficient. Like, its fine if it happens one month, everyone has trouble from time to time. But if you've had 1/mo for three months you're not active.

The first part is fully automated; the second is currently done semi-manually.

@tempest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I'm a little baffled by comments along the lines of "then staff has to pay attention to what is going on on their game!!!!!!!!" That's uh...kind of your job, as staff.

As usual I find you completely crazy, but: The idea that we have time to actually monitor all the RP that happens on the game is so completely unreasonable to me that I can't even fathom you said it without snickering darkly behind your hand.

Yesterday, there were twelve scenes that were logged and posted (could have been more that weren't logged). We don't have time to read that much content, man.

If you find that baffling, well you're still crazy.

[ThatGuyThere]

No meeting the minimum standards is still sufficient because there is a minimum activity level where you would not boot someone (there has to be or you would boot everyone) it is just that the rule does not actually state what the rule is.

=To clarify on the minimum standard thing, if for example you have someone playing the Dane Whitman version of Black Knight and he gets a scene every 19 days and staff doesn't notice, than he starts going 20 with out a scene and staff notices and talk with him, that clearly establishes the minimum is 19. What the actually written rule states is meaningless because what staff enforces on the game becomes the actual rule.
The rule might say 30, but in reality it is 25 or 13 or some other number that is just under what would actually draw staff attention.
I an not picking on any game in specific with this, never been on the one @Ixokai staffs (never played there and have honestly heard nothing bad about it) just using that as an example of the similar rules I have seen on most comics games.

[Tempest]

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@tempest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I'm a little baffled by comments along the lines of "then staff has to pay attention to what is going on on their game!!!!!!!!" That's uh...kind of your job, as staff.

As usual I find you completely crazy, but: The idea that we have time to actually monitor all the RP that happens on the game is so completely unreasonable to me that I can't even fathom you said it without snickering darkly behind your hand.

Yesterday, there were twelve scenes that were logged and posted (could have been more that weren't logged). We don't have time to read that much content, man.

If you find that baffling, well you're still crazy.

You don't have to omfg read every single log word for word to know what is going on on your game. The claim that you would, is just well...daft.

On the other hand, if posting logs is the thing you're going to use to judge activity...

Maybe you should be reading them.

Or, idk, write a policy you'll actually take the time to enforce.

[faraday]

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Yesterday, there were twelve scenes that were logged and posted (could have been more that weren't logged). We don't have time to read that much content, man.

I don't see though why you can't just read the log summaries. That takes 5 minutes, and it's pretty easy to tell from a summary: "Oh, it's just Batman having coffee again" versus "Oh, look, Batman foiled a bank robbery, cool."

I mean, if you don't want to make a qualitative assessment part of your idle policy, that's your business. I don't care. But the idea that it's somehow impossible for staff to gauge a player's activity through logs doesn't fly with me. I do it. Granted my games are smaller, but I'm also only one staffer. It scales.