Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.

[Derp]

Explanation of my 'mostly good' vote:

NodeBB blech. There has to be something better out there somewhere. Make it happen already.

The 'hands off' approach is mostly ok, but sometimes it would be great if there was a bit more actual moderation. Depends on the circumstances, but there have been some less than stellar behaviors that I wish would have been nipped in the bud long ago, Hog Pit or no.

I wish MSB had something more of a mission statement. If it's supposed to be a place for community engagement and connection, why does it feel like we deal with the same catty, cliquish crap as we do on the games? Isn't this place supposed to be above that? I mean, from what I understand, this place tries hard to be Not-WORA, but -- is that what we're really getting out of it?

[Ganymede]

@auspice said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

This is not the Basketball thread. Please move this discussion to the appropriate thread. GAWD GUYS YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

It's not really a discussion if one side is totally wrong.

Point taken, though.

[Auspice]

@derp said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

NodeBB blech. There has to be something better out there somewhere. Make it happen already.

The reasoning for this is that we couldn't transfer over the archives/history.

Personally? I'd be OK with that. Take off and nuke it from orbit. Fresh slate. >.>

[ThatGuyThere]

@arkandel said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

What other futuristic technologies will you people ask for, flying cars? We don't live in the future, getouttahere.

Do flying cars even count as the future any more? Hell they have been promised to us since the fifties by the time we will get them they will already be retro.

[surreality]

@thatguythere Dude, we just have the one flying car so far, but...

[Lotherio]

@surreality said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

Dude, we just have the one flying car so far, but...

Don't worry, Uber is developing the autopilot on it.

[Thenomain]

@arkandel said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

@auspice On production, as @Thenomain has taught us.

[krmbm]

@derp said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

I wish MSB had something more of a mission statement. If it's supposed to be a place for community engagement and connection, why does it feel like we deal with the same catty, cliquish crap as we do on the games? Isn't this place supposed to be above that? I mean, from what I understand, this place tries hard to be Not-WORA, but -- is that what we're really getting out of it?

You are blaming the envelope because you don't like the person who wrote the letter. The reason the place is catty and cliquish is because MU*ers are catty and cliquish. The reason it spills into this forum is because this forum is what we have.

MU*ers are not cool winners who thrive on positivism. We're anti-social pretendy weirdos who have grievances we want to air.

If you try to moderate that away, you wind up like IGU: Dead for years, and no one gives a damn.

P.S. Did someone say this place is trying hard to be Not-WORA? I must have missed that memo.

P.P.S. I still hate the gif add-in.

[Ashen-Shugar]

@krmbm said in [Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.](/post

You are blaming the envelope because you don't like the person who wrote the letter. The reason the place is catty and cliquish is because MU*ers are catty and cliquish. The reason it spills into this forum is because this forum is what we have.

MU*ers are not cool winners who thrive on positivism. We're anti-social pretendy weirdos who have grievances we want to air.

Sorry, gotta disagree here.

The loudest mudders are catty, cliquish, and thrive on negativity.

The majority of mudders are actually fair individuals. Most hold professional jobs, have families, and provide positive outlooks to things around them.

Please don't box us in to a stereotype.

[ThatGuyThere]

@ashen-shugar
In your post you seem to imply that "catty, cliquish, and thrive on negativity" doesn't go along with holding a professional job. If you think that is the case you really need to work in more offices or be very grateful for the ones you have worked in.

[Ashen-Shugar]

@thatguythere said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

@ashen-shugar
In your post you seem to imply that "catty, cliquish, and thrive on negativity" doesn't go along with holding a professional job. If you think that is the case you really need to work in more offices or be very grateful for the ones you have worked in.

Sure it does. But most highly professional jobs don't have this as HR tend to go down on them like a ton of bricks.

And again, stop with the assuming.

[krmbm]

I also have a job, a family, and a positive outlook on life (except politics, because that's some depressing shit right now). Doesn't change the fact that the Hog Pit has more posts than all the other MU*-oriented sections of the forum combined.

Sorry if you don't care to be lumped in with us plebs, but - like it or not - we are your catty, cliquish people. There may be a few good apples in the barrel, but numbers don't lie.

WORA has been reincarnated more times than I can count. IGU died a heat death years ago. There's a reason: We like our salt.

[faraday]

@ashen-shugar said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

Sure it does. But most highly professional jobs don't have this as HR tend to go down on them like a ton of bricks.

This. You can't prevent people from being jerks. What you can prevent is people displaying jerkish behavior in your space by being intolerant to such shenanigans.

That said, we had like a 50-page thread on this very issue not that long ago and the overwhelming sentiment was that folks relish having a place where they can display jerkish behavior in peace.

@krmbm said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

If you try to moderate that away, you wind up like IGU: Dead for years, and no one gives a damn.

Yes, some of us give a damn. We've just been outvoted. (to wit: look at the poll)

[Derp]

@krmbm

The Hog Pit having the largest number of posts does not in any way mean that the majority of the members are posting there. And I can want for more moderation in a posts where the moderators are asking us to grade their performance. That's not blaming the envelope. That is me saying that I wish their was more administrative performativity. Which is the reason this thread currently exists, from what I am gathering.

[surreality]

@faraday Heck, if the jerk behavior actually was confined to the HP, we'd be in a much better place than we are, and it really needs to be for the model to work.

Sadly, it's not.

Some folks genuinely give none fucks about that rule, or think they're above it, or... fuck-knows-what. That is really just not even a little bit OK with me, and if there's anything that I wish got more attention when it happens, it's that.

[Ganymede]

@krmbm said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

Sorry if you don't care to be lumped in with us plebs, but - like it or not - we are your catty, cliquish people. There may be a few good apples in the barrel, but numbers don't lie.

Man, karmabum, you've gotten cynical over the years.

I think if you actually look at the Hog Pit recently, there's only a select few that are sniping at each other harshly, but even they pale in comparison to the eloquence of our dear brother, HelloRaptor.

Mostly, it's about inappropriate GIFs that we snicker at childishly, and petty insults that we think are funny. All of that catty acrimony pales in comparison to some of the shit I see at the gay club where I'm at now.

[Derp]

@ganymede said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

gay club where I'm at now.

I wish we had more of those here. Maybe if I get the urge to hang with a lawyer bot, I'll take a drive over the state border. I'll buy you a drink and everything!

[Ganymede]

@derp said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

I wish we had more of those here. Maybe if I get the urge to hang with a lawyer bot, I'll take a drive over the state border. I'll buy you a drink and everything!

Dayton is a surprisingly cosmopolitan burg. The community theatre is popping. It gets good touring shows (I'm seeing The Phantom of the Opera this weekend, and The Hunchback of Notre Dame is swinging through at the local equity theatre). And traffic is minimal.

Our major local gay club, The Masque, rivals places I've been to in Toronto.

[surreality]

@ganymede said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

@krmbm said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

Sorry if you don't care to be lumped in with us plebs, but - like it or not - we are your catty, cliquish people. There may be a few good apples in the barrel, but numbers don't lie.

Man, karmabum, you've gotten cynical over the years.

I think if you actually look at the Hog Pit recently, there's only a select few that are sniping at each other harshly, but even they pale in comparison to the eloquence of our dear brother, HelloRaptor.

Mostly, it's about inappropriate GIFs that we snicker at childishly, and petty insults that we think are funny. All of that catty acrimony pales in comparison to some of the shit I see at the gay club where I'm at now.

I agree about the Hog Pit -- but only to a certain extent.

Yours is a very easy perspective to have when you're not the subject of regular dogpiles nearly any time you disagree with someone in any given circle of friends, are not being chased all over the forum (including outside of the Hog Pit) being bullied, or having completely irrational attacks slung at you, which are things more than a few people around here have experienced and are experiencing here.

It is a very easy perspective to have when people generally treat you with a modicum of respect, whether you disagree with them or not, play with them or not, etc.

It is a much more difficult perspective to share when people think it's totally awesome fun times to take out their shitty day or shitty life or personal baggage that you have absolutely nothing to do with on you from out of nowhere, because you're somehow on the designated 'no harm no foul' target list to randomly abuse without any social consequences for this shitty behavior.

As your experience isn't the only experience people are having, it would probably be a good idea to walk a mile in someone else's shoes on this front for a bit before rendering that judgment as you have here.

[Derp]

@surreality said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

Yours is a very easy perspective to have when you're not the subject of regular dogpiles nearly any time you disagree with someone in any given circle of friends, are not being chased all over the forum (including outside of the Hog Pit) being bullied, or having completely irrational attacks slung at you, which are things more than a few people around here have experienced and are experiencing here.

This is one of the things I was talking about, yes. There is a very real circle of people that gravitate around a few key figures, and will attack any who dare to disagree with a barrage of attacks whose magnitude is simply unwarranted, both inside the Pit and out of it. While some of this is petty childishness, a lot of it is not-so-borderline harassment. I think it's easy for people who are used to heated argumentation to overlook stuff like this and mentally diminish its scope. But it is a very real, and increasingly frequent, thing that had been happening. It drives people away, or into silence, and I know that the administration of the boards are just as aware of it as others, which is why I really question the 'hands off' policy. Moderators definitely need to make sure that kind of asinine behavior doesn't happen. And in case anyone thinks that's overstating matters, when down votes were still enabled, people in this group would follow those who often get dog piled on just to downvote every single post a person made, no matter the context or subject matter.

It really needs a more active hand in ensuring that jerkass behavior isn't allowed. Tolerance isn't substantially different from approval, in that situation.