@deadculture But calling them an asshole and a bully just starts up a cycle. I think the best part of freedom of speech os that people can also choose to shut up and/or not be forced into saying things they dont believe in. 9/10 times it is more empowering to just give an asshole a haughty stare and then ignore them like they dont exist
@faraday It doesn't even have to be a hot button issue. Heck, I got insulted in this thread (which is supposedly inappropriate) in a completely baseless fashion because I'm 'not pure enough' an idealogue for someone's liking, and they decided it meant something patently absurd and disgusting.
And they got cheered on for doing it. So... yep. Pretty much that. This actually is a problem. Saying "that person is ignorant" only gets us so far collectively when that ignorance is bolstered and encouraged at the expense of truth and sense.
Oh fucking well.
@insomniac7809 said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
I just don't really buy the whole "community will regulate bigoted shit-flinging" deal, especially on the intertubes.
That works as long as the community has a strong core of non-shitbags who are, for whatever reason, dedicated to sticking out and shouting down shitbaggery. As opposed to non-shitbags just picking up sticks and going somewhere with a less unpleasant shitbag/non- ratio, which itself skews the ratio shitbag-wise, making it less appealing to non-shitbags, and on and on and now you have 4chan.
If people have not listened to the Reply All Incel episode, now's probably a pretty good time to do it. Because it illustrates this point pretty well.
@templari said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
I'm going to be as short as possible in my response that I will probably be forced to regret.
I feel that it has been made abundantly clear on this forum, unless one is left leaning in nature, they should keep their mouths shut. Regardless of topic. If you try to speak otherwise, the dogpile will come.That if you are a moderate, or right leaning, you're simply not welcome here.
That. Is exactly how this place has made me feel.
I'm a conservative. I speak on conservative issues in the appropriate spaces on this forum pretty often. I'm not dogpiled on or run out. There's a reason that I have a different experience than other conservatives.
That being said, dogpiling does happen on this forum, a lot. And I am sure there are people who keep thoughts and opinions to themselves not because saying them is inappropriate, but because they don't feel like dealing with a shitstorm if it blows up in their face.
There are also the people who intentionally try to start a shitstorm or round up people to start a dogpile and those behaviors are pretty worrisome to me.
@surreality said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
It doesn't even have to be a hot button issue.
Well I think the whole question about how much money to be spent on social services is a hot-button issue for a lot of people. But I agree with you that the comment you're referring to in this thread (and a couple others like it) is exactly the sort of hostile, dismissive thing I'm saying is a problem.
@lisse24 said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
That being said, dogpiling does happen on this forum, a lot.
It does. And I want to come up with a way to address it that's not worse than the original problem.
@faraday That's just it -- I'm not even referring to social services. Yet, somehow, no one bothers to find that out, even though it's very easy to infer from the post (unless I'm some idiot with a tactical panties concession stand; I'm not).
My objections are to wasteful spending on... well, just watch the news. (No, we don't need tens of thousands of dollars for a phone booth, or tactical panties for sprawling security details etc.)
@arkandel Wait, so this is meant to be a discussion about dogpiling, now?
I mean, it's a message forum, where things are written out, and not in real time. How are you going to stop 'dogpiling' in a way that isn't 'only X number of people may give their opinion on any topic/post"?
Beg, plead, and cajole.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
@ganymede That's usually how I start a... never mind.
@ganymede Now, how to convince people who think they are just giving their (as valid as anyone else's) input on something that they are maliciously dogpiling?
@kanye-qwest said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@arkandel Wait, so this is meant to be a discussion about dogpiling, now?
I mean, it's a message forum, where things are written out, and not in real time. How are you going to stop 'dogpiling' in a way that isn't 'only X number of people may give their opinion on any topic/post"?
People, modern US conservatives especially, hate it when their pet issues are disagreed with by anyone. Having multiple people disagree with them makes them feel 'teamed up on' and causes them to complain about having to be made aware of the fact that their opinions are less popular than they'd like for them to be.
Complaints bother the people in charge of the (forum/game/etc.) and negative coded terms like 'dogpiling' get thrown around.
@friendlybee The same could be said of modern US liberals, but the game of pointing fingers and using labels, once again, is counter-productive.
@friendlybee I'm going to be really blunt: the dogpiling that goes on here rarely has anything to do with someone being liberal or conservative in the US political sense.
If you think everyone who complains about being dogpiled here in these terms, you are never going to see the problem for what it actually is: the same cliquish high school bullshit everyone is very familiar with.
'Coding' my sweet ass.
@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee The same could be said of modern US liberals, but the game of pointing fingers and using labels, once again, is counter-productive.
A bold claim, when this entire thread was spawned because someone said 'hey can we not use the c-word please?' and it resulted in a screaming/sobbing fit that's still ongoing by a very upset conservative, angry they had to face social consequences for open misogyny.
How am I still not drunk enough for this?
@friendlybee Not so bold, when there are prime examples literally everywhere on this forum. Your attempt to frame your argument in a way that makes you sound like you're an authority on the subject notwithstanding, @surreality points out the wholly non-partisan nature of dogpiling.
It really just depends whether you've a tough crowd for your ideas or not.
@Tinuviel I know a sugarcane-based distilled drink that would get you drunk enough for ANY MSB discussions.
@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee Not so bold, when there are prime examples literally everywhere on this forum. Your attempt to frame your argument in a way that makes you sound like you're an authority on the subject notwithstanding, @surreality points out the wholly non-partisan nature of dogpiling.
It really just depends whether you've a tough crowd for your ideas or not.
@Tinuviel I know a sugarcane-based distilled drink that would get you drunk enough for ANY MSB discussions.
By all means, provide links and evidence of this problem. I probably shouldn't've inserted that little dig, I'm aware that 'multiple people disagreeing with you' is a problem that is not entirely political, but this very thread was started because an upset conservative cried 'FREE SPEECH' when they were politely asked not to use a slur and people laughed at them for it.
@friendlybee said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee The same could be said of modern US liberals, but the game of pointing fingers and using labels, once again, is counter-productive.
A bold claim, when this entire thread was spawned because someone said 'hey can we not use the c-word please?' and it resulted in a screaming/sobbing fit that's still ongoing by a very upset conservative, angry they had to face social consequences for open misogyny.
...did you even read the thread? Because that is not anything like what happened here. At all. In any way.
This came up because I was called a cunt, and I don't personally care. The person who called me that isn't screeching, either, nor do either of us bear each other any ill will. I made a joke about it because other people have made a federal case about it. Another person politely asked that no one use the term. Another pair of people entirely lolwhut'd it, at which point those of us who have seen this song and dance performed a dozen times sighed, shook our heads, and tried to warn people not to go there lest there be pointless, stupid drama.
And here we are, engaged in pointless, stupid drama. Like I said: high school.
Please keep up with what's actually happening? If you're going to engage in a discussion about facts, actually discuss the facts. Your recounting of events bears no resemblance to them whatsoever.
Oh fucking well.
@friendlybee i don't think it has anything at all to do with being 'conservative'. Most conservatives I know don't resort to namecalling for the sake of being edgy. Calling someone a cunt is just someone being an asshole. It's not a political thing at all until people start dropping "SJW" to dismiss those who object.
@surreality My b then, it seemed like the guy was much more upset in my reading - and the creation of this thread, and the posts within it seemed to play into that. It's the internet, people getting upset is kind of subjective.
If nobody was mad, why does this thread exist?
