Jul 20, 2018, 3:21 PM
@surreality People have to tug the discussion back to the bottom of the well when we were already getting along.
I fucking hate the time-honored tradition of goalpost moving and liver ruining because I can't drink.
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@surreality People have to tug the discussion back to the bottom of the well when we were already getting along.
I fucking hate the time-honored tradition of goalpost moving and liver ruining because I can't drink.
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@friendlybee ...honest answer? I think @Arkandel may be trying to kill me of liver failure.
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Makes sense - I read the tone as much more upset due to the creation of this thread. If it really was just a quick back and forth that was lol'd out of existence, then this thread seems like a giant and unnecessary overreaction.
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@kanye-qwest said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee i don't think it has anything at all to do with being 'conservative'. Most conservatives I know don't resort to namecalling for the sake of being edgy. Calling someone a cunt is just someone being an asshole. It's not a political thing at all until people start dropping "SJW" to dismiss those who object.
And, just for context's sake, it really depends on which English-speaking region you're coming from! I don't really think Australians are trying to insult someone when they call someone that.
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@deadculture We aren't.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@kanye-qwest said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee i don't think it has anything at all to do with being 'conservative'. Most conservatives I know don't resort to namecalling for the sake of being edgy. Calling someone a cunt is just someone being an asshole. It's not a political thing at all until people start dropping "SJW" to dismiss those who object.
And, just for context's sake, it really depends on which English-speaking region you're coming from! I don't really think Australians are trying to insult someone when they call someone that.
Absolutely, the word wasn't the issue the 'omg free speech' stuff that's come out because someone politely asked for it not to be used was the eyerolly part.
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@friendlybee I only started arguing for free speech the moment people started arguing for proactive moderation of words in the Hog Pit, with or without specific harmful/discriminatory context.
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@friendlybee In all seriousness, the dogpiling around here is way more cliquish, high school, mean-girl style bullshit. From all sides.
Sometimes, we all come together when some horrible Godzilla monster jackass emerges to form Voltron, but otherwise... it's high school. Which sucks. A lot. But it's what we've got.
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@kanye-qwest said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
Now, how to convince people who think they are just giving their (as valid as anyone else's) input on something that they are maliciously dogpiling?
I suggested fire and lots of it, but no one listens to me.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee I only started arguing for free speech the moment people started arguing for proactive moderation of words in the Hog Pit, with or without specific harmful/discriminatory context.
Then, and I don't mean this rudely, you don't know what free speech entails.
You're not being oppressed by a government. A private forum is being moderated for content that serves no purpose except to be upsetting.
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@surreality said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee In all seriousness, the dogpiling around here is way more cliquish, high school, mean-girl style bullshit. From all sides.
Sometimes, we all come together when some horrible Godzilla monster jackass emerges to form Voltron, but otherwise... it's high school. Which sucks. A lot. But it's what we've got.
Yeah I used to be on wora and I'm recently back to the hobby.
Have you considered just not worrying about what weird mu* nerds think about you? It's very effective at insulating you from the high school drama.
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Can we please guide this back away from RL politics and into forum ones or something?
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@friendlybee While the 'right' to free speech is exactly as you've described, the concept of being free to speak as one wishes can be adequately abbreviated to 'free speech' given the context.
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@arkandel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
Can we please guide this back away from RL politics and into forum ones or something?
Sure, the RL politics were inserted by whomever wrote the thread title though, might wanna talk to them.
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@friendlybee I think I specified my situation quite well, honestly. You need to read back.
Because my government can and will use the words I say on the internet against me, without the very flimsy cover of anonymity. Which they can break just as well with a subpoena.
By the way, the right to express oneself is a basic human right. You are correct this is a privately-owned forum, and not all speech here is allowed. I express myself within the framework that's already set, which I do not want to see tightened. Ergo. I argue for the status quo.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee I think I specified my situation quite well, honestly. You need to read back.
Because my government can and will use the words I say on the internet against me, without the very flimsy cover of anonymity. Which they can break just as well with a subpoena.
By the way, the right to express oneself is a basic human right. You are correct this is a privately-owned forum, and not all speech here is allowed. I express myself within the framework that's already set, which I do not want to see tightened. Ergo. I argue for the status quo.
And others disagree. I am sorry you live in a place that can/will censor your ability to express yourself.
It's just not all that relevant in the discussion of forum moderation.
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I don't know, it appears that there's more than a handful of people that agree with me on the issue I highlighted.
And considering that one's understanding of the real world and how they idealize it to be often color their decisions in policy-making...
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Yeah, I'm not disagreeing that people agree with you. I guess I'm too dumb to understand your point - some people think its Very Important that they be allowed to use misogynistic/racist/homophobic slurs on this internet forum for various reasons.
Some people think it's ok to laugh at and call out the people who use those kinds of words.
The people that want to use those words are v. upset that they got laughed at a little, and here we are. What's our next move?
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@friendlybee You label the words, not knowing that words can be used in any context, including satire, parody and other forms of dark humor/schadenfreude.
The moment you attribute labels to words in the same way people often attribute labels to people to discredit their viewpoints or simply to deflect from them, is the moment that censorship begins. After all, that's what 1984 is about, the totalitarian point of view in which the potential of a word to hurt means it has to expunged from the lexicon outright.
Your next step is to start burning dictionaries and books that have the words, a la Fahrenheit 451.
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@deadculture ok that's like a nosedive down a slippery slope there, cowboy. Maybe pump the brakes.