@lordbelh I feel like you pretty much dislike everyone.
@icanbeyourmuse @lordbelh likes me.
@deadculture said in Kushiel's Debut:
See: @Sunny's former character, who got into the Dauphine's good graces by saving her from a poisoning, became Duchesse, and was very much poised to involve herself in many plots had she simply asked what she could do.
I knew what to do to get involved in plots. What blew up was me trying to get other people involved and getting completely shut down, while being reassured that they'd be happy to give me the information.
Yes. When you're given a timeline by someone (I'll be back in a week) then it's a good idea to bother to abide by it before sending them a nastygram conflated with /other people's decisions and actions/ that you are unloading on them as well, and claiming you got the facts straight as best you could. A communication entitled "good riddance" doesn't seem to be a great way to open things up, does it?
The ooc showboating of "I'm going to get to do this cool thing, see you guys later" is obnoxious but a lot of people can't help themselves. That's why you host it at a time wren another scene doesn't have to be interrupted in the course of it. Channel or page showboating is one thing but in combination with a scene exodus so there's an audience? Yuck. And so unnecessary with just a smidgin of common sense and/or not behavior blindness.
@Sunny This, basically. The Royalty (staff alts) purposefully stonewalled her from involving others in the plot, so she chose not to continue to involve herself.
@mietze Who showboated, out of curiosity?
If people came into a scene, as reported and then openly left in order to go be part of the cool plot? That is showboating.
No reason for it.
I know why it's tempting, audience and all that, but it is somewhat in poor taste when others know what's going on and it can be easily averted. ESP on a small game.
@mietze What if they just left after an hour and a half? That is showboating? Oh, also, they posed leaving, stealing people away, etc. So that's showboating. All right.
@deadculture You're serious? Okay. Sure. I'll play, then. An IC representation of certain people getting to go do the crunchier RP while everyone else gets their silly fluff ball isn't showboating /how/?
Don't be dense. You know exactly what I'm talking about. You may very well enjoy that behavior, but yeah. Doing stuff like that is super unnecessary. Especially when there has been ample time for preparation.
@mietze said in Kushiel's Debut:
Don't be dense. You know exactly what I'm talking about. You may very well enjoy that behavior, but yeah. Doing stuff like that is super unnecessary. Especially when there has been ample time for preparation.
So what you're saying is that people shouldn't have attended the fete at all. Well, okay, that is reasonable.
@Shlappy I've snuck people out of large events to do secret things in other games and I didn't get this much of a bitchfit thrown. And yeah, I know you're part of it. I don't see it as showboating and maybe I never fucking will, but I also think you're an asshole from what I've heard on what you said to someone I actually like. So that's that.
I am actually with @deadculture on this one about the showboating. Making an IC excuse for leaving the party seems a little more reasonable than, say, just leaving with no explanation I generally dislike people that join a scene just so they can flaunt their things. That, to me at least, sounds like a more discrete exit. Though, I was not at the scene so I don't know for sure..
@deadculture What happened between myself and another person has since been resolved, afaik. Which we did between the two of us without your help, no less. Your opinion on whether or not I'm an asshole has absolutely no bearing in this discussion whatsoever.
You might want to make sure you know what's going on before commenting on a situation, though. Because I'm fairly sure you don't.
I think it's ridiculous that we've spent this much time talking about them getting up and leaving the party to resolve a MUSH-wide plot. That doesn't even touch what the problems were and why people left.
@deadculture ..as a player who has come on to the game and made it a point to drive your rp via ruining stories other people had going, with a helping hand from the admin team, you're pretty much scum of the earth. But in the end, the wheel will turn, and you will be the stain on the road beneath it.
@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:
@deadculture What happened between myself and another person has since been resolved, afaik. Which we did between the two of us without your help, no less. Your opinion on whether or not I'm an asshole has absolutely no bearing in this discussion whatsoever.
You might want to make sure you know what's going on before commenting on a situation, though. Because I'm fairly sure you don't.
I wouldn't have helped you even if I was asked, so I'm glad you worked it out, though the insults were very typical of someone with rather petty hangups and a nice hair trigger.
As for the problems, I think it's fairly fucking obvious that what set off these complaints are the party and the event that took place concurrent to it. Then it's a rationalization as to why people weren't involved.
@Lorne-eth The stories weren't 'ruined', I had no hand in what happened and I'm fairly sure @Skaldia can back me up on that one, as can @Echx. What I had in store for you was a bit more sinister than what I did take advantage of. Maybe I'm scum of the earth, yeah. I'm a player playing a pretty ruthless character, and if your character is one of the two people whose life he did ruin, well, my bad, you fucked with him first and foremost.
PS: I played a psychic assassin masquerading as a Hawkwood playboy on Star Crusade. I'm sure people have ample horror stories about me, but for all I care, I was nice and tried to be OOCly considerate, but I was downright fucking evil ICly.
PS2: I am not afraid of karma. I can own up to the things I have done without rationalizing them.
The decision to overlap those scenes OOCly in that manner was not great. No question.
Should the people who got the "crunchier" scene (whatever that means ) have NOT gone to the party at all? Would it have been more or less of a slight if these people had gone off to their private scene without putting in an appearance at the ball? How about the fact that ICly, there isn't any reason why they wouldn't have been at the party and then ducked out at some point? In fact - again - in several cases their absences would have been extremely questionable. Should the 'secret' scene have been held on another night, and the PCs involved.... what, left the party after a couple of hours RL and then logged out?
When there's a huge ball at the palace and the Crown Princess and her husband don't attend, what does that say about the party? C'mon.
Again, traditionally, the Longest Night ball is a masquerade. That was part of the reason for doing this thing on that night, because it was supposed to give the PCs involved some cover for their covert actions, not just at the ball but on location. This time it wasn't. Not ideal, but hey. It could have generated all kinds of interesting IC gossip, but no.
@deadculture What you got was staff inducing an act that wouldn't have happened without their help, helping you along. You've done nothing to me, nor will you ever have the talent to do so, your entire effort is so transparent and obviois that without ooc contribution, you would be laughable. I see it, and I've never even met Martin IC.
@Lorne'eth How did I make staff induce that, exactly? I didn't move a single finger, not a single one, no job request, nothing. I think you're accusing me of something laughable, it's like blaming someone for killing your father when he went out during hail and a block of ice pelted and mashed his skull in.
Do you know what force majeure is? I took advantage of a thing that happened, yes, but I had no fucking hand in it. As for the 'talent' to do so, why would I want to screw with you, exactly, as a player? Or are you attached to your character as an extension of your person? So let me make this very clear to you: I did nothing. Zilch.
Let me just throw this out here: If you are waiting two years to resolve a plot because you are "trying to let players figure it out", you have not done a good job of storytelling. At all. At /all/.
I am actually with @deadculture on this one about the showboating. Making an IC excuse for leaving the party seems a little more reasonable than, say, just leaving with no explanation I generally dislike people that join a scene just so they can flaunt their things. That, to me at least, sounds like a more discrete exit. Though, I was not at the scene so I don't know for sure..
