criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong

[Prototart]

@gangofdolls said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

This board exists to call out bad behavior of which there is plenty, possibly too much in this hobby because all of the shit that goes on thrives in darkness and disconnection. So, it's shitposting. It's shitposting for an ultimately good cause even if it has to set shit on fire to clear the weeds out.

10000% yes times a million at its best every incarnation of this place was or was supposed to be about outing creeps and assholes and abusers and actions that make it harder to do that limit or lessen its value imo

[Paris]

@arkandel I'd be happier about this if you leave update posts by the thread originator-- I'm not speaking for bot, but horrormux goes through a theme change every couple months, and archetypes open up between stories. Being able to update that and leave posts there would be convenient.

[Sunny]

@arkandel said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

See why a wiki is better, g'dammit?

No.

ETA: People following the rules, and the rules being enforced consistently, is better.

[Arkandel]

@paris said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

@arkandel I'd be happier about this if you leave update posts by the thread originator-- I'm not speaking for bot, but horrormux goes through a theme change every couple months, and archetypes open up between stories. Being able to update that and leave posts there would be convenient.

That's what we're doing.

The only people allowed to post on Ad threads are the originators (or staff working for that game, but if I find out they're not authorized to do so things won't be pretty for them). They can edit the posts, respond to them, anything they like.

Everyone else who wants to comment about those games needs to do so in the game's corresponding threads elsewhere (Mildly Constructive, Hog Pit, wherever).

[Tempest]

Once upon a time, I'd have championed this thread.

Not gonna lie, kinda outta fucks.

Triggered MSB gonna be triggered MSB.

[faraday]

@sunny said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

@arkandel said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

See why a wiki is better, g'dammit?

No.

ETA: People following the rules, and the rules being enforced consistently, is better.

Yeah, still not seeing the value of the wiki. I mean... "don't post to the ad threads unless you're the OP". How hard is that for people to follow? We're all (allegedly) adults here.

[Rucket]

@faraday said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

@sunny said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

@arkandel said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

See why a wiki is better, g'dammit?

No.

ETA: People following the rules, and the rules being enforced consistently, is better.

Yeah, still not seeing the value of the wiki. I mean... "don't post to the ad threads unless you're the OP". How hard is that for people to follow? We're all (allegedly) adults here.

I too think a wiki is unnecessary with what is currently happening. If moderation is an issue, seems like getting a new moderator would be an easier option than building a wiki.

[Sunny]

Adding more work when current work is too much of a workload is not a good idea.

[Doozer]

I can moderate the advertisements. Easy. does the forum allow you to remove/delete individual comments?

[Paris]

@arkandel Thank you, my concerns have been well addressed. :3

[magee101]

@arkandel Just so long as changes like this are also documented in Announcements and not just left to being a reply on a thread someone might never find.

[magee101]

@paris Reopen F&L! makes angry snek faces.

[Paris]

@magee101

Between my ongoing health woes and finding a sane vampstaffer, probably not gonna happen.

[Ganymede]

@paris

I'll vamp staff?

[Misadventure]

@ganymede You vamp everyone.

[Arkandel]

@magee101 said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

@arkandel Just so long as changes like this are also documented in Announcements and not just left to being a reply on a thread someone might never find.

Done. Apologies about that, I didn't mean to bury the response. We'll see if the measures so far are sufficient.

[Derp]

@ganymede

He said 'sane'. Lawyers don't qualify.

[Paris]

I love you guys, and thank you, but no.

Really seriously, I believe that the bigger problems that developed on F&L are a result of me being too ill to properly oversee what staff are doing to their spheres, combined with us being consistently understaffed. If I had fired or replaced some staffers earlier on, the catastrophe of the vamp sphere might have been avoided.

On a personal level, I got tired of the constant stress from so many players AND staff about XP creep-- nobody was happy about their XP levels, people with high XP levels were viewed with suspicion, nobody wanted it either faster OR slower, etc.

I really loved that game and the players and most of the staff and shutting it down made me quit MUSHing for about a year (combined with my health cratering and it's still pretty dodgy), but the issues inherent to nWoD are just a perpetual headache. It's why I now play on either no-XP or limited-XP games, on no WoD games even though I love the THEME as opposed to the system, and why I'm not staffing.

(I suggest horrorMUX if you like horror themes and a lot of plots and enthusiastic folks, I think we're doing a supernaturally-themed one after the 80s one is done. There is no XP that carries over from theme to theme, and no byzantine system that requires a consequently large bunch of staff to administrate.)

Edit: I'd hoped that that other vegas game would scratch the itch for folks who were not done with the theme when we closed, but that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore. :<

[Ganymede]

@paris said in criticism not allowed in ad threads is only enforcing a false positive, prove me wrong:

On a personal level, I got tired of the constant stress from so many players AND staff about XP creep-- nobody was happy about their XP levels, people with high XP levels were viewed with suspicion, nobody wanted it either faster OR slower, etc.

I can understand that.

The offer remains open. I'm not a perfect person, but I've been told I make for a pretty good World of Darkness staffer.

As Derp said, I'm not exactly sane.

[Paris]

@ganymede This means so much to me, thank you. ;.;