The Work Thread
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@alamias said in The Work Thread:
Anyone know of need for a react front end developer?
Let me know if you need a character reference. I'm pretty sure I can speak to your person and character, given how long we've known each other.
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@greenflashlight said in The Work Thread:
I would argue, dead serious, that staying on a sinking ship is worse than self-destructive: it teaches the ship's captain that they can let the ship keep sinking because fuck it, you'll bail it out for them, so they may as well bring in some more bodies to drown down in the hold after you've gone under for the third time.
Double-posting because I can and because the above is true.
We've known each other for, like, seven years, kk. Given that my partner is in the health industry, I have to tell you this sincerely: look out for yourself because no one else will. If your hospital managers aren't protecting you, they will never protect you and you need to get out to a place that will. Thankfully, as you are probably aware, the industry is starved for good nurses, so you should find a landing spot pretty easily.
And, hey, what a good time to consider traveling, right?
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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Adding to what @ganymede said. Being in management has exposed me to a lot of 'behind the scenes' stuff that goes on when corporations look for suitable candidates, interview them, hire them... or let them go.
Although you could land into a good situation and be looked after, no one is obligated to do so. For example rates aren't decided by what you are worth, but by the minimum you will accept or stay at the role you're filling; you could do research on the current job market value for your job but unless the powers that be decide you intend to leave, or that you already have a better offer on the table, why would they pay you that if they can pay you less? It's as simple as that.
In fact managers are often confused when folks don't do that. This guy makes what? Why is he still here?
Look after your interests. They are not necessarily aligned with anyone else's.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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@arkandel said in The Work Thread:
For example rates aren't decided by what you are worth, but by the minimum you will accept or stay at the role you're filling; you could do research on the current job market value for your job but unless the powers that be decide you intend to leave, or that you already have a better offer on the table, why would they pay you that if they can pay you less? It's as simple as that.
Truth right here.
I have already negotiated and secured settlements for my institution that exceed my annual salary in the four months I've been on the job. I know I am worth far more than I am being paid right now, but I wouldn't trade this job for my last because of the benefits and the fact that I don't have to go hunting for work to do. (Shit comes to me, yo.)
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede Yep. And sometimes corporations get really dumb about it, too.
"We want to pay $X for this guy, not $X + $2k annually".
This is a valuable person to the organization. Do you really want to risk losing them over a rounding error in the firm's profits then need to replace them with someone who will be paid more than that amount to start with and who, if you're lucky, will eventually be just as good and valuable as this person already is?
But they often do.
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I am pretty close to leaving. Thanks for the feedback and the words of support.
I needed a little time to process before I answered.
I can make more money, I could get a schedule that works around all the plans I have this summer and could actually do all the things for a change.
And those to elements have been very tempting.......
The real reason is that yeah it just is not safe anymore and we lost all our in house leadership who used to care and corporate does not care at all.
That being said it is easier said that done.
I feel bad for my patients for leaving and it is hard to walk away from a place that one invested so much blood, sweet and tears for already. It sounds easy and like oh just quit, but it is really really hard.
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I don't think anyone thinks it's easy, I think it's more that folks from the outside looking in are absolutely sure that, given what you've said, it's necessary. There's not a lot of frills or caveats being added because folks feel you absolutely 100% need to get out for your own safety and well being, and you're talking about it to people who are emotionally invested in your health.
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Change is scary AF. It's always a balance between what you deserve and the amount of risk you can take.
Zero judgement if you choose to stay.
Zero judgement if you choose to leave.
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What Sunny said.
I think what we're saying is that we think you should leave too, and if or when you do we'll still be here, no matter your choice.
We're just asking you to choose yourself rather than others this time.
It bears saying once more:
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@kk said in The Work Thread:
I feel bad for my patients for leaving and it is hard to walk away from a place that one invested so much blood, sweet and tears for already. It sounds easy and like oh just quit, but it is really really hard.
Yes, but also:
You're far from the first person to feel this way. It's been a trap for people for many many moons.
It doesn't make you a bad person for realizing that the situation you are in is bad and that you need to make a change to that situation because continuing will not benefit you. I am pretty sure that your patients would be very happy for you for finding something better. Nobody is going to hold anything against you, except maybe your old employer since you won't be throwing yourselves into the meat grinder for them any more.
Fuck 'em. You do you and get every single little thing you're worth. Life's too short for that nonsense.
Racism isn't Tinkerbell. It doesn't need you to believe in it for it to exist.
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It's more complicated in a service industry than just that fallacy though. While it's easier to tell our systems 'fuck you' it's not so easy to tell the victims, that might become even MORE victimized by our absence, to fuck off.
I'm not saying she shouldn't - just making sure she/they know that I'm 100% understanding of how one can stay in a sucky system for the people they serve.
It's been six years since I left my last hellhole of a school and I still wonder to this day if maybe I could have saved the kids coming up if I'd stayed.
(The worst systems use our empathy against us.)
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@silverfox I feel that you are describing a hostage situation. "Either let us continue to endanger you, or we'll put someone worse in your position who'll hurt your patients!"
Negotiating with terrorists is rarely a good idea.
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@kk said in The Work Thread:
I feel bad for my patients for leaving...
There are almost no guarantees in life but I can guarantee this: as a nurse, you will find patients elsewhere who need you just as much.
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To a point you aren't wrong though. I hated my position last year. HATED IT. But the thought of a first year teacher getting my kids almost made me stay, (thankfully the kinder teacher of decades wanted to move up) and if they hadn't figured out a better option when their veteran teacher went on Maternity leave, would have had me going back into that bad place.
No one at my job was doing it maliciously, but that doesn't mean others aren't.
Excuse me while I go rewatch The Good Place now.
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@silverfox Yeah, with educators it feels trickier, because of how the profession is under attack from people who want to replace teachers with propagandists (more than you're already required to be, I mean).
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I appreciate the support. Thank you. And well no decisions made yet, but I need to process things and rest.
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Three years with this company. No true promotions -- only lateral moves. Biding time until I start to notice money-saving measures in terms of staff and space. So, I think, time to start searching. Two weeks later. Potential face to face interview this week with new company with a less intense work culture. Also, would be working with strangers -- not my friends. Because I'm starting to resent them. Away from social media and real estate agents. Because it's tiring. I hope I get it.
Edit: Didn't. I sort of turned into a human version of Kermit the Frog when I realized it was going to be four people interviewing me all at once.
So it goes.
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I walked into another teacher's classroom yesterday and in the ~90~ seconds I was in there I witnessed three utterly unsafe behaviors from kids and another 3-4 behaviors that even a minimal amount of teacher presence would have fixed.
I'm not even sure that this teacher was AWARE I walked into her room, let alone what the children were doing.
So I wrote it down and handed it off to admin because MY JOB IS NOT TO POLICE OTHER TEACHERS but it IS to report when I see something unsafe.
My VP had the AUDACITY to come to me and say "are you sure you wouldn't be better to talk since you know the kids and are more experienced."
And the answer is absolutely not. I had a moral obligation to speak out, but I in no way have the ability to control what goes on in another person's classroom. THAT is the job of the admin. If they want me to do admin duties they'd better pay me for doing them because otherwise - nope nope nope.
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@silverfox said in The Work Thread:
And the answer is absolutely not.
At least, not without more compensation, a title, and possibly tenure.
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@silverfox said in The Work Thread:
"are you sure you wouldn't be better to talk since you know the kids and are more experienced."
Yes hi I was wondering if you would like to do my job for me please and be the bad guy but without the commensurate training and pay that go with my duties, that would be very convenient for me
