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Coin

@Pandora said in Good TV:

@Coin Uh... spoilers much! I Only saw the first episode bro!

I mean I didn't spoil anything! Except them surviving til episode 3, I guess? XD

Thenomain

Yeah, it’s not like he spoiled that Saya is gay.

What show are we talking about?

Lisse24

The first What We Do in the Shadows trailer is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZi3rJPENs

Wretched

The ~~New class of Xmen~~ Umbrella Academy is pretty rad, I am enjoying it.

Ganymede

@Wretched

I do love Gerard Way, surprising no one.

Deleted

Umbrella Academy was pretty fantastic, even as someone who isn't overly fond of Ellen Page. I found myself thoroughly interested in the characters despite the story being weak.

Doozer

Yes. Absolutely amazing. Just the right amount of quirky.

Thenomain

Jessica Jones and Punisher canceled.

Alas.

Auspice

@Thenomain said in Good TV:

Jessica Jones and Punisher canceled.

Alas.

We knew it was coming.

But the down side is that we'll either never see them again, or we'll see them with their legs cut out from under them so they can be appropriately PG-ized for the Disney streaming service.

Both are depressing AF.

The other shows (Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Daredevil) can all be transferred over decently. Those two? Not so much. $:\$

deadculture

@Auspice Netflix would rather give us shitty B-movies than quality series and once the subscriptions start dropping, they'll find out why stripping themselves of good content was a mistake.

Coin

@deadculture said in Good TV:

@Auspice Netflix would rather give us shitty B-movies than quality series and once the subscriptions start dropping, they'll find out why stripping themselves of good content was a mistake.

Except it wasn't Netflix that canceled them, it was Marvel. Like, you rcritique wouldn't be wrong if it weren't contextually absolutely wrong.

Auspice

@deadculture said in Good TV:

@Auspice Netflix would rather give us shitty B-movies than quality series and once the subscriptions start dropping, they'll find out why stripping themselves of good content was a mistake.

What Coin said.

Netflix would probably happily keep making the shows, but Disney is the one pulling the plug here. They know how successful they are and want them on their own streaming service.

I think that's the real issue Netflix has right now. It has done a damn good job. Maybe too good. So the networks are pulling back and keeping the content behind their own paywalls. Almost all of them have their own service now.

Arkandel

@Auspice I find a lot of the criticism leveraged against Netflix is because of things they are literally not allowed to do although they'd love to. For example in Canada a common one is "it doesn't give me the same selection as in the US unless I use a VPN".

Do you think they don't want to?

Auspice

@Arkandel said in Good TV:

@Auspice I find a lot of the criticism leveraged against Netflix is because of things they are literally not allowed to do although they'd love to. For example in Canada a common one is "it doesn't give me the same selection as in the US unless I use a VPN".

Do you think they don't want to?

Pretty much. It's legality shit.
I worked (briefly; contract my company had) for a live streaming service and they had a Canadian package. We frequently had complaints of 'Why don't you have <channel/show/event>?!' and we had to explain: 'Because <network> won't legally allow us to air it in Canada.'

Netflix isn't just gonna throw away money. They know what people wanna see. But so do those networks. And those networks want to try to force people back in front of live TV (ads), onto their streaming services (direct revenue/ads), onto partnered services (like Hulu+add ons or Prime+add ons).

I think eventually it'll all condense back down because people aren't going to pay for a whole bunch of separate services and the networks will realize that. But right now it's that splinter point where they see how popular/big streaming is, they all want in, and they think the 'in' is making their own vs. working with the guys that know wtf they're doing already.

Arkandel

@Auspice What I'm worried will happen is we'll revert back to basically the exact same setup as cable, but streamed. Obviously no one will pay for 4-5 different subscriptions and switch between Netflix, HBO, Disney, Amazon, etc... so it will come down to whatever compromises the market will tolerate in exchange for affordable, usable bundling.

Auspice

@Arkandel said in Good TV:

@Auspice What I'm worried will happen is we'll revert back to basically the exact same setup as cable, but streamed. Obviously no one will pay for 4-5 different subscriptions and switch between Netflix, HBO, Disney, Amazon, etc... so it will come down to whatever compromises the market will tolerate in exchange for affordable, usable bundling.

It's possible. Hulu is already close to that, to be honest. You have your base Hulu and then you can add-on others like HBO, etc. So we may well see exactly that happen. Netflix may need to do something along those lines someday.

I have a bigger fear: Prime and Netflix, right now, are ad-free. Hulu isn't (unless you pay more). Ad revenue is the thing most networks salivate over. Most of them still have ads (and a ridiculous number thereof) on their own services. I'd be almost willing to go with a 'bundled' streaming service where it's a single platform and I get to pick which networks I'm pulling from because you know what? Movies would all be collected in one place at-fucking-last. But the ads. The ads would be the problem.

Arkandel

@Auspice Ads are no problem. I watch Netflix because it has none; the moment it has some I will go back to torrents, which are ad- (and money-) free.

There are options. The industries involved should be reminded of it, because they've tried time after time to limit what and how we can watch and listen under their own terms and that didn't go over so very well.

BobGoblin

Those industries have enjoyed a cartel of control for close to 20 years (cable and dish) and longer for networks. Large industries do not shift their landscape very easily or very well. Just like someone above said about Netflix the same applies to those Cable/Networks. It isn't they don't WANT to change, it's that they CAN'T change. The reality is they are too big and entrenched in their systems and metrics.

The output you get is the results of your systems. So if you're built around ads as your revenue source, how are you supposed to change? Netflix wasn't built that way, it was built around a subscription model. And therein lies the issue. These OTHER services are still operating under an 'ad' based model which we have all collectively flipped the middle finger to. They haven't figured out how to adjust to a non-ad based model (subscription or other). I would not anticipate Netflix or Prime switching to an ad based model. Why would they need to? People may say to 'make more money' which is possible, but any of their analysts would probably point out the loss of subscription revenues exceeding the potential gains of ad revenue and shoot the idea down quickly.

Auspice

@BobGoblin

Here's the issue:
Netflix is losing money. Netflix has cancelled shows that are popular, but too expensive to produce because they just can't justify it.

If too many networks pull out to go to their own playground, Netflix may find itself backed into a corner. Without IPs and without the revenue to produce the high-quality content people want to see, they're going to have to do something. That something might be a model like Hulu has which is pay X cost for ads or X+ for no ads... which could lure some of those networks back to their side. Do they want to? No.

TV is in a golden era in many ways. There's so much more for the content creators. But at the same time, the major networks are seeing that change. That core of their revenue (ads) falling away from them. And they are terrified of change. I think we'd all gladly suffer (smart) product placement over ads, for example. Shit, movies already do it and unless it's just shoddily done, we go on our merry way.

Ghost

Just want to say that these shows are my shows right now, and they're awesome:

Brooklyn Nine-Nine
Orville
Deadly Class
The Magicians
True Detective

Watch this stuff.