The Wheel of Time
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@vixanic all that.
And at least one thing staying true to the books is the arrogance of the Aes Sedai. Will be interesting to see how they handle the discovery of wise ones and windfinder's, etc
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@arkandel said in The Wheel of Time:
One thing I don't yet trust the series to do yet is showcase politics and the Great Game. So far they haven't been able to create much of a three-dimensional world at all; compare it to Westeros in the first season and this is very, very shallow. Even the dynamics between the Ajahs are underwhelming up to now.
I don't mean this as a personal attack but like, it really doesn't surprise me that the first season plot has been so stitched together and rushed because I imagine the fan pressure to get to the popular parts of the setting and plot in the series after so many years in production limbo must be just like overwhelmingly insane.
Eye of the World is a pretty standard fantasy plot in a lot of ways and the reason the elements you want feel thin is they're just not that present until the end. I personally kind of don't like that they're rushing through it, because the first three books are my favorite, but I understand I'm probably among the minority there.
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@wizz said in The Wheel of Time:
Eye of the World is a pretty standard fantasy plot in a lot of ways and the reason the elements you want feel thin is they're just not that present until the end.
I agree with this. A lot of the more interesting aspects of the series don't really start coming into play until Books 2, 3 and 4 depending on what characters you are looking at.
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@wizz said in The Wheel of Time:
I don't mean this as a personal attack but like, it really doesn't surprise me that the first season plot has been so stitched together and rushed because I imagine the fan pressure to get to the popular parts of the setting and plot in the series after so many years in production limbo must be just like overwhelmingly insane.
I really hope they get 10 episodes next year, or at least 90-minute finales and premiers. I've had my issues with this season but they've been primarily clunky pacing and hand-waved/rushed characterization, and all of that's solved by another episode or two.
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@wizz said in The Wheel of Time:
@arkandel said in The Wheel of Time:
One thing I don't yet trust the series to do yet is showcase politics and the Great Game. So far they haven't been able to create much of a three-dimensional world at all; compare it to Westeros in the first season and this is very, very shallow. Even the dynamics between the Ajahs are underwhelming up to now.
I don't mean this as a personal attack but like, it really doesn't surprise me that the first season plot has been so stitched together and rushed because I imagine the fan pressure to get to the popular parts of the setting and plot in the series after so many years in production limbo must be just like overwhelmingly insane.
Sure, but why would this sound like a personal attack?
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Just that you were expressing a sentiment that was similar to some degree, that the stuff you were looking for specifically was thin on the ground is the kind of thing I imagine a lot of fans have been saying with a lot more volume and a lot less politeness.
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Whatever else, this show's soundtrack spits some fire:
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Well, I am kind of sitting here having to process exactly how I feel about this finale.
Like on one hand, I really get some of these changes and have to look at the fact that Mat's actor not showing up for filming for Ep 7 and Ep 8 likely caused a great deal of problems storywise and rewrites had to happen.
On the other hand though, I'm not exactly sure why some of the decisions were made?
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@rucket said in The Wheel of Time:
Why the hell did that Aes Sedai call Lews Therin 'the dragon reborn'? He's not, he's The Dragon.
No, he's the Dragon Reborn. Always has been. Part of the opening of the Eye of the World is Ishamael reminding him that they've already done this a million times and will do it a million times more, and Ish is already tired of having that conversation. It's a big cycle, just goes on and on and on.
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@derp said in The Wheel of Time:
@rucket said in The Wheel of Time:
Why the hell did that Aes Sedai call Lews Therin 'the dragon reborn'? He's not, he's The Dragon.
No, he's the Dragon Reborn. Always has been. Part of the opening of the Eye of the World is Ishamael reminding him that they've already done this a million times and will do it a million times more, and Ish is already tired of having that conversation. It's a big cycle, just goes on and on and on.
A lot of that was theorizing by Ishamael, and even if it is true the people of his age gave him the 3rd name of "Telamon" which means "The Dragon" They didn't give him "Telamonsyndai" which is "The Dragon Reborn".
Also an excerpt from the books:
"And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was as blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World.
And him they named Dragon."
— From Aleth nin Taerin alta Camora, The Breaking of the World. Author unknown, the Fourth Age
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Yeah, this finale was...something. Can't say I agree with or understand some of the choices, but the production value was high and there were some great character moments.
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click to showI am interested to see where the series goes. They've changed a lot already and I think it will be a very different beast from the books by the end.
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Also, I know it's linked somewhere here on the boards years and years ago, but just as an early X-mas present for anyone who hasn't seen it, here's the hilarious faux-pilot produced by and starring Billy Zane.
Oh, what we could have had!!
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The season finale was garbage.
What a steaming pile of shit. It boggles my mind. What the actual hell.
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Is this what sports fans feel like watching their teams play when they just don't perform like they could?
Even if you the seasons are terrible I am still going to watch them. I'm invested in the material and want to support it. I'll just be angry about it.
Really really hoping season 2 gets more money/time so maybe some of the issues can be fixed but I've a feeling it will just dig in more.
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Well, I enjoyed it for what it is, through the whole ride.
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Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was bad-awful garbage or whatever, it was a fun watch! It just was an incredibly loose interpretation and adaptation of the end of this book that sorta fumbled when RL complications came up and I maybe get the feeling like the writers either didn't understand the metaphysics of the setting or just aren't that invested in portraying them strictly in line with the text.