I have kids. They are whiners.
I appreciate that the Millenials you work with aren't whiners. I accept that.
The ones I come across? Are.
So, I'm like:
Regarding education, one cannot persuade another to think critically if the other is unable to be critical of themselves.
I mean. Do people realize that the Millennial generation's upper age limit is now almost 40?
@roz Uhm, technically we're called Xennials. And when I think about how old I am, I wanna cry.
https://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-vs-xennials-biggest-differences-2018-4
Maybe it's just the company I keep, but I see a lot more sacrifice when it comes to community organizing, GOTV efforts (beyond just posting some doodad on FB), canvassing, and more importantly supporting others running for office who are NOT the traditional middle aged middlin' to wealthy white penis-haver from the "Millenial" generation than I do from the people my age and older who sit around on their asses bitching about them.
I think a lot of people forget about all the voter suppression methods that have been part of many states for years and years, that make it extremely hard for college students and frequent movers to get their ballots or make it on to lists, ect. To say nothing of the idiotic campaign of voter suppression that is the avalanche of "everyone's the same, why bother voting" that's vomited everywhere. Hmmm. Wonder who that targets by and large.
When I show up for community meetings, millenials and younger gen-xers make up the majority of people there, not silver haired white guys. When I've needed to recruit people to walk with me and go to events to do voter registration or chase ballots during election times (help find people whose signatures were rejected, so they know they've been disenfranchised and help them rectify it) they've been millenials who are actually giving up a lot of after work or lunch break time, not the old people with lots of time to spare and senority. The running for office trainings we've been putting on are swamped with those under 35, women, and brown or black people.
I get that a lot of people can't do much but nag their friends and coworkers, but please don't shit on a generation that is probably a lot more involved locally than yours.
ETA: I'm almost 45, so not a millenial. Just getting kind of tired of people dumping on them. I paid about $30k for my bachelors degree, could set my pay level (outside of government employment) and get it because the job market of the 90s was so awesome, know a ton of people my age who became independently wealthy because of the dot com era (those that didn't fritter it away and invested wisely, that is), I could buy individual health insurance for $90 a month, schools maybe weren't funded as well as they could have been, but they weren't at the level of falling apart even in the rich suburbs level that they are now for K-12. Pretty sure the people under 30 are getting a shitty ass deal than the one I got. So I don't know, if they feel some futility about things, or decide not to work themselves to death for less than half real-worth wise hourly wages than what I got at their ages, I really can't say I blame them too much.
So I had my rant recently about my boss talking down to me and me pinging on it being fairly fucking sexist.
Well.
Because our project/client is so freakin' stressful/intense/etc...
the client manager and HR sat down with each of us last week to get a temperature read, feedback, etc. and because I'm in 'no fucks given' mode, I was honest as shit about a lot of things. I was still professional, polite, and even-keeled, but I was honest. Usually I'm reticent about issues, usually I withhold, usually I'm just 'oh yeah everything's fine!' No, I spent a good long while with both of them detailing out everything.
And I brought it up.
And while the client manager (fellow woman) was silent, the HR guy did the whole 'Are you sure it was because your teammates are male and not because Dimitri <named coworker in the original exchange> is considered a senior on the project?' and I was very adamant that yes, I am sure, because I could read the tone.
I have only once before reported a coworker/boss for sexist behavior and that was the ass who made the 'If I had my way, women in this place would be forced to wear skirts because women always feel prettier in a skirt and when you feel pretty, you're happy, and you work better' comment to me.
Fast forward to today. I'm tasked with building accounts for the new hire on our team. I go to mirror the account for the guy hired not after me, but after the guy hired after me. Well, not even after me. I'm one of the original three. So he's still pretty fuckin' new. He's so new I lose time every day to holding his hand through shit. He's so new I brought him up in the above meeting as 'He needs a lot more training because he's floundering.'
...except when I go to mirror him, I find out he has higher level permissions than I do.
So I ask my boss wtf.
Boss: 'Oh, well, after <coworker who quit the other week> left, his perms got raised for redundancy.'
His did? Not mine? 'For redundancy'?
Fuck all you motherfuckers.
@roz Uhm, technically we're called Xennials.
I...what?
I have a new thing to be angry about!
edit, from the article:
Xennials aren't especially pessimistic, but they aren't as optimistic and confident as millennials tend to be.
...What? The only reason Millennials tell me that they're optimistic is because they're resigned that the world is fucked and that they can't do anything about it, so why worry? They're far more confident about building community and optimistic about their friends and their social status, but that's about all I see.
In most of the discourse I'm familiar with, we're Millenials. Our children are Gen Z.
@Thenomain, I tend to think generation labels are stupid, personally, because not only are they dependent on when you were born/raised but also where, and it's that second bit that no one seems to care about (because how could you possibly justify calling a 30-year-old a Millennial if they grew up in a village in Perú?). But, aside from that, the "Xennial" thing (which I technically fall into) is because there is a group of people in the "civilized" (re: with access to modern technology and media) world that grew up analog (like your generation) but transitioned into digital (millennials) before they hit full adulthood. I mean, i was using a CD player in 2001, and then I skipped directly to MP3s around 2003, no minidisc in the middle. My brother has never listened to a cassette except as a vintage relic of a past age (you know, the early nineties) whereas I can vividly recall my teenage years always carrying a BIC pen to save battery life on my walkman.
Yes, these differences are contextual, but they're real, so when it comes to the (often annoying and silly) labeling of generations, there is a very real gap in between Generation X and Millennials. Like, I remember when I wasn't a Millennial, but instead Generation Y.
There's a bigger gap in this 'generation' than there have been in previous because of how much digital tech changed things.
There's these terms 'Digital Immigrant' and 'Digital Native' that (I feel) describe the two a lot better. Those of us who grew up with analog and transitioned (like @Coin mentioned) would be the Digital Immigrants and the younger ones would be Digital Natives. It splits along a much different line, but it has a more clear way of explaining that disparity we all feel.
I was born early 86, graduated when I was 16, began working when I was 14... by pure age, I'm a Millennial, but I share a number of things in common with the 'Xennial' deal due to when I graduated, began working, etc etc. 2 of my 4 siblings count as Millennials, but I would still call 1 of them a Digital Native, too. He was way too young to remember anything analog. He wouldn't know what to do with a cassette player, VHS, etc etc.
So that's the divide I always use. It doesn't quite give you that comfort of precise years, but it works for say... expanding definitions to countries where the timeline may be altered.
@thenomain said in RL Anger:
This whole Brett Kavanaugh thing. It makes me ashamed. It makes me ashamed of being male. It makes me ashamed of being white. It makes me ashamed of being upper middle class. It makes me ashamed of being from his generation. It makes me ashamed of my government. It makes me ashamed of my country. There is nothing from his bad acting to his outrageous entitlement that doesn't make me angry, and on top of that I hit most of the labels that makes me outwardly similar to that monster. Fuck. That.
That is all.
You ought to be angry at being so gosh darn gullible.
You ought to be angry at being so gosh darn gullible.
... says the token from the party that put forward such stellar candidates as Harriet Miers (withdrawn), Robert Bork (rejected), Harrold Carswell (rejected), and Clement Haynsworth (rejected) in the past 50 years.
Summary:
Miers: Horridly unqualified. Had the good grace to bow out.
Bork: Opposed by the ACLU (like Kavanaugh). Alleged extremist.
Carswell: Alleged racist. Considered "mediocre."
Haynsworth: Allegedly had financial interests in cases he presided over. "Too moderate."
The Republican Party has the worst recruitment team when it comes to finding qualified candidates.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
You ought to be angry at being so gosh darn gullible.
In what sense? Less Vagueness Please.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
Vote.
No he shouldn't vote. He'll cancel out some woman's vote, and that will only add to his shame.
Bork: Opposed by the ACLU (like Kavanaugh). Alleged extremist.
TBH, Bork would fit right in now. His major black mark was thinking a right to privacy didn't exist in the US Constitution. I bet certain parts of our government would love a judge with such opinions these days.
@thenomain said in RL Anger:
You ought to be angry at being so gosh darn gullible.
In what sense? Less Vagueness Please.
You obviously believe the accusations.
@thenomain said in RL Anger:
You ought to be angry at being so gosh darn gullible.
In what sense? Less Vagueness Please.
You obviously believe the accusations.
Or am I upset in what the accusations and his responses represent?
No need to banter: It's that one.
Which would've been obvious if you weren't trolling.
Again.
If you want your voice heard you need to open your mouth. Vote
Edit: Replying to Theno and Gany from the votey part of the talking.
for once this feels like the right void to scream into:
I'm a survivor of a (pretty violent) sexual assault a few years ago. All the Kavanaugh discourse on FB/at work/with family has rendered me really emotionally exhausted because I feel compelled to argue about it. My work schedule is a lot better than it used to be, but it prevents me from going to group therapy weekly, now, so I'm having to see a therapist one on one which is more infrequent and more brief. Tabletop RPGs, WoD really, has always been a very reliable tool for me to process trauma/my feelings and to experience the kind of escapism that relieves my anxiety and paranoia. The MU I was playing on has iced over a good bit, and I'm nervous about trying to find a new one and I know my options are limited, and that's caused my stress to build up a bit IRL. With all the Kavanaugh stuff just getting nastier by the day, but like a carwreck no one LETS you look away from, I'm just feeling trapped in my head, esp regarding my own assault, and the only emotion I really feel overtly about my trauma anymore is, well, anger.
There's enough laid out to cast some serious side-eye at the nomination.
I have kids. They are whiners.
I appreciate that the Millenials you work with aren't whiners. I accept that.
The ones I come across? Are.
So, I'm like:
Regarding education, one cannot persuade another to think critically if the other is unable to be critical of themselves.
