RL Anger

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I've been off work since mid October. Bad luck of getting the flu and then getting pneumonia on top of it. I was pretty lucky that I never had to go to the hospital, and I'm living in a place that won't kick me out for missing rent for a few months. But I've gotten to the point that I've pretty much drained all my rainy day funds and when I start work my first few checks are going to go to my dad, and to pay off my credit card. My Steam wallet has more money than I do from selling cards during the holiday sale.

I'm pretty much single, and I haven't spoken to my mom in a decade, so it's just pretty much my dad I have to get anything for is my dad. I got him a little something I saw that I knew he would like and have been hiding it from him for months. He went to see his girlfriend and kids because he's going to be working pretty much straight through to New Year's Eve, so he went to see them now. They did the whole gift thing and he comes back with the thing I had gotten him.

So I go to the only place open on Christmas Even and try to use my points that I have gotten from my many, many prescriptions this year. Can't use them on branded gift cards, but you can use them on the store one, load it up and use it however. Great! Oh wait, no you can't. Okay, I'll buy something and use my points. Great but you have to use the amount exactly, before taxes. And they are tired. So if you want to use $60 worth of points, you can't use $60 of points on a $50 dollar thing. And as I said you pay tax on everything. So if you spend more than your $60 worth of points, tax adds up at 15% here.

So of course I didn't have enough on me. I thought if you use $50 worth of points that gets subtracted from the total. So then I have to play item shuffle, getting to just right to the point tier. And the whole time the cashier is calling over the aisle asking for help because she doesn't know what to do. But instead of just asking for help on how to clear something she practically screamed "She doesn't have enough." four times. And of course the lines that weren't there when I started, kept growing. And she just kept shouting it even though I know I must have looked uncomfortable. I know the people in the line were looking uncomfortable.

I don't know if she was hoping someone would be filled with Christmas cheer and fork over the four bucks I was short or what but damn. It's bad enough to have that happen on just a normal day. And it's not like she's a new cashier, she's been there a while.

So not anger, but not helping with the holiday cheer, and I had to get it out, somewhere.

I really do not like stupid corporate policies, that seems to be definitely the case. She could have facilitated for you, in the spirit of Christmas, rather than fucking things up when you're short of cash. Hope things get better.

Insomnia

Thanks. Things will get better, I'm supposed to start back on work next month, at least I can do back to work training then, and I might even be moving around a bit with them as well. And like I said, I'm not in a place they will kick me out for not paying rent, and it's even been unseasonably warm this year. So while things are frustrating, there are people who have it far worse than me. It was just frustrating at the time and I don't get why she had to say it so many times.

Anger: There is a candy cane shortage in Canada. For serious. And the store was out of eggnog when I got there too.

Cirno

So, check this out. I'm a Cirno about to tell a cool story, bruhs and bruh-ettes.

Maybe you've wondered about this.

When people include information about their place of employment in their Facebook Profile, Facebook then appends a neat little note to their username, detailing their job.

Now, I see some people who express themselves in garbled, awful English, with terrible grammatical syntax, (I am not an English Professor, but still, after reading a good deal of books, I have a very good idea of what a sentence should look like, and their sentences do not look like that at all, nor do they resemble any of the practice sentences in the manuals of writing the English language I've read) missing punctuation, no capitals (or too many capitals), and so on.

Maybe you've seen this in Facebook postings, too.

Inevitably, I find that these same people have job titles such as "Manager at Really Big Corporation" or "Chief Executive Officer of Prestigious Business, Inc", or "Software Engineer at Microsoft".

I'm not making this up. I'll start taking screenshots and documenting this phenomenon, if anyone harbors any doubts.

How...how the fuck does that work? I mean, I'm a nobody who does a very basic job, and expressing myself in English that is easy on the eyes comes naturally to me.

It's not like I need to pore over a stack of dictionaries, a Thesaurus, and four manuals of style for an hour before producing my posts, either. Anyone who has MU*d with me or had a live chat with me will attest to this fact.

Are these people really that stupid?

Do they not care? How can they not care?

Have we been wrong all this time, and you can just type like a retard on the Internet, while being a genius business manager or a software engineer? Because (and I've been on the Internet for nearly two decades, now) expressing yourself in legible, properly parsed English has always been a mark of intelligence, to the best of my knowledge.

Can you just get these jobs while being a retard? Have I grossly overestimated the amount of intelligence you require to be an exec or a software engineer?

I...I'm confused. Help.

ThatOneDude

@Cirno

@Cirno said:

So, check this out. I'm a Cirno about to tell a cool story, bruhs and bruh-ettes.

Maybe you've wondered about this.

When people include information about their place of employment in their Facebook Profile, Facebook then appends a neat little note to their username, detailing their job.

Now, I see some people who express themselves in garbled, awful English, with terrible grammatical syntax, (I am not an English Professor, but still, after reading a good deal of books, I have a very good idea of what a sentence should look like, and their sentences do not look like that at all, nor do they resemble any of the practice sentences in the manuals of writing the English language I've read) missing punctuation, no capitals (or too many capitals), and so on.

Maybe you've seen this in Facebook postings, too.

Inevitably, I find that these same people have job titles such as "Manager at Really Big Corporation" or "Chief Executive Officer of Prestigious Business, Inc", or "Software Engineer at Microsoft".

I'm not making this up. I'll start taking screenshots and documenting this phenomenon, if anyone harbors any doubts.

How...how the fuck does that work? I mean, I'm a nobody who does a very basic job, and expressing myself in English that is easy on the eyes comes naturally to me.

It's not like I need to pore over a stack of dictionaries, a Thesaurus, and four manuals of style for an hour before producing my posts, either. Anyone who has MU*d with me or had a live chat with me will attest to this fact.

Are these people really that stupid?

Do they not care? How can they not care?

Have we been wrong all this time, and you can just type like a retard on the Internet, while being a genius business manager or a software engineer? Because (and I've been on the Internet for nearly two decades, now) expressing yourself in legible, properly parsed English has always been a mark of intelligence, to the best of my knowledge.

Can you just get these jobs while being a retard? Have I grossly overestimated the amount of intelligence you require to be an exec or a software engineer?

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's the internet, it isn't real communication, #BlameItOnTwitter

Cirno

@ThatOneDude said:

@Cirno

@Cirno said:

So, check this out. I'm a Cirno about to tell a cool story, bruhs and bruh-ettes.

Maybe you've wondered about this.

When people include information about their place of employment in their Facebook Profile, Facebook then appends a neat little note to their username, detailing their job.

Now, I see some people who express themselves in garbled, awful English, with terrible grammatical syntax, (I am not an English Professor, but still, after reading a good deal of books, I have a very good idea of what a sentence should look like, and their sentences do not look like that at all, nor do they resemble any of the practice sentences in the manuals of writing the English language I've read) missing punctuation, no capitals (or too many capitals), and so on.

Maybe you've seen this in Facebook postings, too.

Inevitably, I find that these same people have job titles such as "Manager at Really Big Corporation" or "Chief Executive Officer of Prestigious Business, Inc", or "Software Engineer at Microsoft".

I'm not making this up. I'll start taking screenshots and documenting this phenomenon, if anyone harbors any doubts.

How...how the fuck does that work? I mean, I'm a nobody who does a very basic job, and expressing myself in English that is easy on the eyes comes naturally to me.

It's not like I need to pore over a stack of dictionaries, a Thesaurus, and four manuals of style for an hour before producing my posts, either. Anyone who has MU*d with me or had a live chat with me will attest to this fact.

Are these people really that stupid?

Do they not care? How can they not care?

Have we been wrong all this time, and you can just type like a retard on the Internet, while being a genius business manager or a software engineer? Because (and I've been on the Internet for nearly two decades, now) expressing yourself in legible, properly parsed English has always been a mark of intelligence, to the best of my knowledge.

Can you just get these jobs while being a retard? Have I grossly overestimated the amount of intelligence you require to be an exec or a software engineer?

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's the internet, it isn't real communication, #BlameItOnTwitter

Oh Christ, it all comes back to Twitter. I was right, that thing is the worst thing to have happened to the Internet.

This turns everything - EVERYTHING - people used to say on the early days of the Internet totally on its head.

I recall when people would automatically dismiss you entirely if you were incapable of expressing yourself through properly parsed English. I'm sure you do, too.

I'm also remembering the people on MU*s who would not even deign to read anything anyone sent them unless it was properly parsed. Perhaps you've seen them - the ones with things in their +finger info to the effect of "I ONLY SPEAK TO PEOPLE WITH A GOOD GRASP OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE; IF YOU CANNOT MANAGE THIS I WILL IGNORE YOU AND BLOCK YOU".

Fuck, dude, I can't handle this New Internet.

EDIT: FWIW, at least people on dating websites and MU*s are impressed by my command of the English language...and that's about as good as nothing, I guess.

Arkandel

@Cirno said:

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's because they don't care for or respect the medium they are posting in.

Mind you, I'm not trying to justify the practice but I've (at times snidely, I must admit) corrected people's rouges and of course the obligatory your/you're antics on WoW only to have them grumble back something about this being only a game and obviously who cares about grammar, spelling or for that matter, manners?

Cirno

@Arkandel said:

@Cirno said:

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's because they don't care for or respect the medium they are posting in.

Mind you, I'm not trying to justify the practice but I've (at times snidely, I must admit) corrected people's rouges and of course the obligatory your/you're antics on WoW only to have them grumble back something about this being only a game and obviously who cares about grammar, spelling or for that matter, manners?

I do the same thing, man. Brofist. Try to imagine I am bumping my fist against yours. /)

I had to do this with a man who was a Senior Administrator at a Hospital and it gave me depression to imagine that this chucklefuck gets to decide how people live and die...and I don't.

My excellent parsing of the English language certainly impresses all the Asian women on this dating website I'm on, but that doesn't make me feel good.

It just makes me feel like that guy from Napoleon Dynamite, Kip, or whatever.

"Yeah, whatever, fags, I'm, like, totally talking to this many hot Asian women right now, over the Internet."

ThatOneDude

@Cirno said:

@Arkandel said:

@Cirno said:

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's because they don't care for or respect the medium they are posting in.

Mind you, I'm not trying to justify the practice but I've (at times snidely, I must admit) corrected people's rouges and of course the obligatory your/you're antics on WoW only to have them grumble back something about this being only a game and obviously who cares about grammar, spelling or for that matter, manners?

I do the same thing, man. Brofist. Try to imagine I am bumping my fist against yours. ?)

I had to do this with a man who was a Senior Administrator at a Hospital and it gave me depression to imagine that this chucklefuck gets to decide how people live and die...and I don't.

My excellent parsing of the English language certainly impresses all the Asian women on this dating website I'm on, but that doesn't make me feel good.

It just makes me feel like that guy from Napoleon Dynamite, Kip, or whatever.

"Yeah, whatever, fags, I'm, like, totally talking to this many hot Asian women right now, over the Internet."

DUDE!

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Cirno

@ThatOneDude said:

@Cirno said:

@Arkandel said:

@Cirno said:

I...I'm confused. Help.

It's because they don't care for or respect the medium they are posting in.

Mind you, I'm not trying to justify the practice but I've (at times snidely, I must admit) corrected people's rouges and of course the obligatory your/you're antics on WoW only to have them grumble back something about this being only a game and obviously who cares about grammar, spelling or for that matter, manners?

I do the same thing, man. Brofist. Try to imagine I am bumping my fist against yours. ?)

I had to do this with a man who was a Senior Administrator at a Hospital and it gave me depression to imagine that this chucklefuck gets to decide how people live and die...and I don't.

My excellent parsing of the English language certainly impresses all the Asian women on this dating website I'm on, but that doesn't make me feel good.

It just makes me feel like that guy from Napoleon Dynamite, Kip, or whatever.

"Yeah, whatever, fags, I'm, like, totally talking to this many hot Asian women right now, over the Internet."

DUDE!

That is me.

I am Kip.

Someone please kill me. I never wanted my life to be this way.

TNP

It's really no different than WORA (or the internet in general) is/was. It's just a game. It's just a message forum. It's just the internet. It's just fill in the blank because it's not "real life".

People don't care how they present themselves. It's fine to come off as illiterate. It's fine to come off as a troll. They don't care that this is the only impression others can base their opinion of them on because they don't care about those people. They're not "real".

So come off as someone who failed third grade? As someone who's a bully and/or a total jackass? Whatever dude.

Cirno

@TNP said:

It's really no different than WORA (or the internet in general) is/was. It's just a game. It's just a message forum. It's just the internet. It's just fill in the blank because it's not "real life".

People don't care how they present themselves. It's fine to come off as illiterate. It's fine to come off as a troll. They don't care that this is the only impression others can base their opinion of them on because they don't care about those people. They're not "real".

So come off as someone who failed third grade? As someone who's a bully and/or a total jackass? Whatever dude.

That's true, but then, how does one explain people like ES and HR, who met on the Interbutt and got married?

This conversation reminds me of an anime I was watching called Black Jack. Basically, in one episode, this kid makes friends with another kid on the Internet; they meet in real life and become Best Friends Forever, and they cry and hug each other and so on. Black Jack isn't involved in this episode that much, but he is greatly moved by all this Power of Friendship, and he remarks how much he wishes HE had a friend. (So do we all, Jacky boy. So do we all.)

Now, in real life, the other kid would have most likely been a fat old pervert, I know. That's part of the reason why I couldn't take that episode seriously at all; the Internet usually does not work that way. There are exceptions to the rule, but I am much of your opinion where this is concerned.

Also, the kid's mom actually encourages him to meet his internet friend! Worst. Parent. Ever, as Comic Book Guy would say.

On a deeper note, why, then, do people mourn other people who die in real life, that they have only known on the Internet?

What I'm trying to say is that the Internet is a fake game with fake people...up to a certain point, a Liminal Zone, if you will, where the unreal becomes deeply real and has real-life repercussions.

Don't ask me how that works; I'm as confused as you are.

TNP

@Cirno said:

There are exceptions to the rule, but I am much of your opinion where this is concerned.

Actually, I didn't say that was the norm. You only have to look here to find people who act like... you know, adults. For every Bigbad there are 10 (a statistic pulled out of thin air) who aren't. I think that, generally, most people aren't assholes. Not even Muers despite the stereotype. WORA, and to a lesser extent this board, are echo chamber for all the worst Mu behavior. That's what it was created for: to complain about assholes while being assholes.

It's a sad fact that the squeaky wheel gets the oil and that assholes are the ones who get the attention. Dismiss them and you'll find that who's left are generally regular people, both good and bad. But there's still a tendency for a lot of people to not care how they present themselves because it's anonymous.

Luna

Big high up smart important people also suck at email. So badly. All the suck. My mother has always done my dads written correspondence. She has a small town, east Texas high school education. He has a masters in civil engineering. Most accountants I know are just the worst and have hideous personal skills and terrible with technology.

Jaded

@Luna

I am personally finding this is true about high up people. My boss has me write his email correspondence for him because I took Business Communication in college. So I learned how to write briefs, memos, emails, and other crap like that.

On to my RL Anger for the day:
Being a single parent is a tough challenging thing. Getting custody of your child from a bad parent should also be a cause for joy. But when doing so your outlook should not be "Oh yay, my money situation will improve now that I can get child support, welfare, foodstamps, and <insert other single parent help programs here>." You conceited selfish asshat.

Luna

@Jaded I can't even with your rl anger today. My child support doesn't even touch what my kid costs, and will continue to cost me. That's fine. It's cheaper to be without him because he was another mouth to feed and his toys are more expensive than hers. I can also keep us above water and go to school without the stress of dealing with him. Welfare is a joke. An absolute joke.

My best friends neighbors get their rent paid for. It's close to $2,000 a month, over market for the area but that's how section 8 is. Memorial Day saw them all flooded, inches to over a foot of water on her street, more in other parts of the neighborhood. My bff had to have her house, that she owns, gutted, up to three feet in some places. She lost her 60 year old wood floors. Everything was soaked in water and would mold in short order. Her neighbors? Nothing. They are living in a dank, nasty house now. No insurance so what if their possessions got flooded are gone. No chance to own a home at this rate. They have a couple of absolute beaters to drive and 6 kids. Yep, living the good life right there.

Ganymede

@Jaded

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity." -- R. Heinlein

Packrat

@Cirno said:

Now, in real life, the other kid would have most likely been a fat old pervert, I know. That's part of the reason why I couldn't take that episode seriously at all; the Internet usually does not work that way. There are exceptions to the rule, but I am much of your opinion where this is concerned.

Also, the kid's mom actually encourages him to meet his internet friend! Worst. Parent. Ever, as Comic Book Guy would say.

I question this, the internet is just plain normal now and has been for a decade or more, the last couple of relationships I have had were with people I met over the internet, hell my (divorced) mother who is in her late fifties dates people she meets via internet dating sites. Most people are on the internet and doing internet things and is it not the unique preserve of social outcasts.

I might be single right now but that was due to a drunken argument that went really wrong combined with withdrawal from anti depressants, following a year long relationship with a smart as hell microbiologist I had a ton in common with. Where did we meet? OkCupid, neither of us living in a basement or being above a healthy weight. Would we ever have met without the internet? Hell no, we did not live close enough though commuting was easy enough, did we keep in touch via internet stuff? Absolutely.

Roz

@Packrat said:

@Cirno said:

Now, in real life, the other kid would have most likely been a fat old pervert, I know. That's part of the reason why I couldn't take that episode seriously at all; the Internet usually does not work that way. There are exceptions to the rule, but I am much of your opinion where this is concerned.

Also, the kid's mom actually encourages him to meet his internet friend! Worst. Parent. Ever, as Comic Book Guy would say.

I question this, the internet is just plain normal now and has been for a decade or more, the last couple of relationships I have had were with people I met over the internet, hell my (divorced) mother who is in her late fifties dates people she meets via internet dating sites. Most people are on the internet and doing internet things and is it not the unique preserve of social outcasts.

I might be single right now but that was due to a drunken argument that went really wrong combined with withdrawal from anti depressants, following a year long relationship with a smart as hell microbiologist I had a ton in common with. Where did we meet? OkCupid, neither of us living in a basement or being above a healthy weight. Would we ever have met without the internet? Hell no, we did not live close enough though commuting was easy enough, did we keep in touch via internet stuff? Absolutely.

Have to agree here. Do people lie on the internet? Do people get preyed on? Absolutely. But I don't think that it's actually true that the majority of people you might make friends with on the internet are more likely to be vastly lying about their identity.

Luna

Catfished leads me to believe otherwise! Lol

Ganymede

@Roz said:

Do people lie on the internet? Do people get preyed on? Absolutely. But I don't think that it's actually true that the majority of people you might make friends with on the internet are more likely to be vastly lying about their identity.

Ack! The grammar!

Shading grants people greater license to conceal or misrepresent the truth. It's easier to lie, so it's probably more likely. That alone does not mean that you should eschew meeting others via the internet.

I mean, people lie in person too. All the time. It happens.