@Arkandel said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 8:00 EST:
@Coin I want so badly to come up with some clever retort about yo momma right now. But I got nothing.
XD
@Arkandel said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 8:00 EST:
@Coin I want so badly to come up with some clever retort about yo momma right now. But I got nothing.
XD
@Glitch said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 8:00 EST:
So @Arkandel has finished setup on his machine for the transfer of MSB. To make sure everything is current, we have to bring MSB down to transfer the database. In all, I don't expect the process to take more than 30 minutes, but unforeseen circumstances being what they are, it may be longer.
How it will work:
- I bring down MSB, get a final, recent copy of the database and send it to @Arkandel.
- He loads it into his instance, we check that the data seems sound.
- I change where musoapbox.net is pointed, which usually only takes a few minutes to resolve (but can technically take up to 48 hours).
- MSB comes back up and you should all be back to posting with no noticeable difference by late this evening/tomorrow.
If you have any questions, feel free to drop them here or ping me or @Arkandel directly.
I have a question for @Arkandel:
Why are you such a boob?
@Coin It's possible it's the bar that's been raised so high after Netflix got in the game and we also got a barrage of blockbuster superhero movies hitting us with their much higher production values.
I just don't see why exposition needs to be rushed; if a full complex plot of a film can be narrated through better storytelling in a 90 minute span then surely they can afford to be just slightly more patient with a TV show which by definition has way more time to feed it to us. Leave some mysteries in there, don't force-feed everything in one go; do we need a teenage Medusa walking in the room with Bolt to explicitly say "I know everyone is afraid of you but I'm not" in so many words or Maximus giving us the 101 on his relationship to her in another 20 second monologue, right in the first episode?
Maybe I'm nitpicking too hard, I dunno. I guess I didn't like it.
Keep in mind that the first two episodes were also written with an IMAX theatrical premiere in mind.
Was that a great decision? Probably not. Did the premiere come off pretty clunky? Sure.
My question is, though, in an age where the adage is basically "you have to give it a few episodes before you judge it" (literally the majority of shows have had this said about them in the past decade) why are people so quick to throw shit under the bus after a poor premiere?
It probably doesn't help that we've been told The Inhumans was gonna suck ass by every media outlet for months now, so you go into it already biased.
@Coin For me it was the bad acting, the constant and non-stop exposition through dialogue, paper-thin characterisation, what seems to be an absurdly small budget for a superhero series (NASA operate out of an empty warehouse?), the laughably bad special effects (Medusa's hair...). I found them hard to bypass.
See, I just see the same quality of acting I see on most television, the same type of exposition through dialogue, characterization possible through two hours of exposition-laden plot, and ... eh, I didn't think the special effects for Medusa's hair were that bad--it was clearly EXPENSIVE, because they got rid of it right quick enough.
Maybe I'm just used to seeing these things individually and didn't really thinka nything of them all together.
I don't get the hate for The Inhumans. It's not a great show, but there are much worse things out there. I mean, i really wish they had given one of my favorite comic book groups better treatment, but at this point, I'm over it.
The Gifted's premiere was all right. Digging Jamie Chun as Clarice (Blink), one of my favorite X-Men characters (long live Exiles, bitces).
I respect Orville for launching itself into the deep pool of risque with its third episode, frankly.
I am still not sure if they handled it well, but damn, that was bold as fuck.
They could be Watchers who are also potentials, and the reason they're all together is a Methos-like immortal embedded in the Watchers has manipualted things to put them together and see what happens.
Once ONE of them becomes immortal, unless they keep it to themselves, they'll all know they're potentials (since immortals can sense a watered down version of the sense they get when another immortal is around, around potentials. This is why Duncan wasn't surprised when Richie c ame back after he got killed--and also why, retroactively, he "adopted" Richie in the first place).
Next thing @Coin says will be that there was some sort of Matrix sequel or something.
Don't make me make the World War II analogy.
I don't want to skim that close to Godwin's Law, but I will if I have to.
@Coin What movies? I don't know what movies you're talking about.
I am against sequel denial. Denying horrifying things doesn't mean they didn't happen, it just means we're unwilling to learn from them.
Bad sequels happen.
Bad franchises happen.
And we have to learn to deal with it.
@Cupcake Uhm, what movie career?
This is pretty much the reason why he went on to make two Made for TV Highlander movies: Endgame (which was apparently released in theaters, but honestly its production values were somewhere between MFTV and theatrical) and The Source.
Endgame was all right; at least it involved the series version of Connor and it bridged that pretty well; plus it had Donnie Yen, who was only in it for a bit, but he was absolutely fantastic (and continues to be fantastic).
The Source was legitimately just the worst thing to ever come out of the Highlander franchise, including Highlander II, which it VASTLY supercedes in sheer stupidity.
Yes, I am talking about the actual theatrical cut of Highlander II, the one with the aliens. The Source is worse.
By, like, a googolplex. I am using an actual number instead of made up one just so you know how serious I am.
Highlander got better regarding certain social issues, but the later seasons' writing was horrifying.
@Gingerlily said in Eliminating social stats:
@Ganymede said in Eliminating social stats:
@Gingerlily said in Eliminating social stats:
I think social stats help in eliminating OOC politics and demanding that they be IC. Which in my opinion is a good thing, and also a crucial one.
I don't think social stats does anything to eliminate OOC politics. In some cases, it can make it worse.
I see what everyone's getting at: if you have social stats and force people to use them, you can keep people honest. Much like calling a bully's bluff, this is indeed something that can be done.
What I'm getting at isn't keeping people honest but keeping people fun. I find it fun to rp in situations where my character might get duped into believing something ridiculous, or frightened by another character when yelled at. It's also fun to have my character succeed at those things.
That can be done without social stats, sure. One of my very favorite games is Houses of the Blooded.. It's all about intense political and social conflict and vengeance and groups merssing with each other. The rules for social combat read similarly to improv acting exercises, with the 'yes and' mindset and technique. -That- is the real ideal, creating a world with tons of characters lying and betraying and sabotaging each other, and the players are making it happen cooperatively. It works super well when played by a group of people who know and like each other, because there is trust there that lets them dig in and enjoy. But 'an online rpg where the community trusts each other' is not a thing I have seen, unless it is run by a group of friends.
I'll dupe you. I'll dupe you so hard.
"My name is Barry Allen, and I'm the fastest man alive!"
No, man, you're not. Every goddamn season there's a villain notably faster than you. Stop lying.
Well, I mean, maybe it's a story framing device and he's saying it in the future, telling you how he took down the competition.
Does he straight up murder them so he can continue to be the fastest man alive? Is that like his whole thing?
Because if so I have been missing out
No, but I mean, that's essentially what happens. LOL.
"My name is Barry Allen, and I'm the fastest man alive!"
No, man, you're not. Every goddamn season there's a villain notably faster than you. Stop lying.
Well, I mean, maybe it's a story framing device and he's saying it in the future, telling you how he took down the competition.
@Sunny said in Eliminating social stats:
@Coin said in Eliminating social stats:
@Sunny said in Eliminating social stats:
I can guarantee you that nobody here (including me) is as awesome as they think they are,
AHEM.
I may not be as awesome as I portray myself to be, but my insecurities definitely confirm I am as awesome as I think i am.
HRMPH.
Callin´me a liar.
No, I was not. Now?
Coin, you are a liar.
NO YOU'RE A LIAR YOU FARTFASE
@Sunny said in Eliminating social stats:
I can guarantee you that nobody here (including me) is as awesome as they think they are,
AHEM.
I may not be as awesome as I portray myself to be, but my insecurities definitely confirm I am as awesome as I think i am.
HRMPH.
Callin´me a liar.
Everyone harps on Medusa's hair, but frankly, we have survived worse special effects in the past, and we will survive worse special effects in the future, and the consistent and constant focus on this has made it so that I don't even CARE.
They could fucking draw it on with crayon and I would be like "Medusa's hair looks perfect". With a straight face.
I mean fuck, talk about tunnel vision.
ATTENTION
I was mistaken when I said last week's Blood Drive was the season finale. That's NEXT WEEK.
I repeat THERE IS STILL MORE BLOOD DRIVE TO COME.
[squee]
GoT Season 7 Finale SPOIIIILERS.
... Still here?
Did anyone else get annoyed at the kangaroo court they had for Littlefinger in there? There was no evidence, no chance for the accused to prepare himself or even to know he'd be on trial, just a quick 2-minute recitation of the accusations and then an execution! He didn't get to ask for trial by combat or to negotiate taking the Black.
Worse? No one even passed the sentence, and if Sansa implied it then she certainly didn't swing the sword. Arya just went "eeh, I've heard enough STABSTAB". That's as much a Stark thing as wearing fur!
Honestly?
No. Not really.
I found it appropriate, and in keeping with the attitude that all three of the people with actual authority in the room have developed over the course of the show.
Sansa learned how to be ruthless from Cersei, Joffrey, Ramsey, and Littlefinger himself, none of them people who would give their target a chance if they could avoid it, and she could.
Arya really likes killing people, and doesn't really give a flying fuck about rules when she does it.
Bran is beyond emotion and propriety as the Three-Eyed Raven now, and he knows the truth, objectively, as a nigh-first-person witness to it all, so there's no requirement of 'fairness' from his point of view, either.
Everyone else was either the command of Sansa, or probably had fucking enough of Littlefinger and was way more internally loyal to either Sansa or, at the very least, Jon, who left Sansa in charge, and they are smart enough to realize that coalescing the forces amassed under a single command instead of answering to Littlefinger-who-answers-to-the-Starks is just simpler.
In short: there wasn't anything Littlefinger COULD DO, never mind that letting him talk is just always a mistake and that was what Sansa learned--slowly, but she learned it.
I tried to rewatch Friends since I really loved it when it was out and then on a prior mid-2000s rewatch it held up pretty well... but this time not as much. Although prime Jennifer Aniston, damn, I didn't find myself laughing.
Friends doesn't hold up even a little bit.