Controversial posts made by Hella

@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten That would be an entirely fair statement had I picked on you at all, so far. Which I have not! I just wanted to bring the conversation back to the game that this thread is about.

While I wasn't around back then, I will say that @sunny put a LOT of work into getting people involved on KD. This is an irrefutable fact. What did or did not happen on another game doesn't have any bearing here. Your lack of perspicacity does not equal hypocrisy.

So by drudging up an event from 2 years ago from a game that is no longer around in its previous incarnation without having actually been involved or informed of the current situation, you're doing a lot more assuming than you are forming educated opinions on what actually took place on this particular game during a time period you are not familiar with.

Have you read any of the thread? Or did you just tune in in the last page? Let me point you back to the video just above your post for my response to your lack of sagacity.

@surreality Good lord. That needed a TL;DR that wasn't a lame meme. Trying too hard.

Super not kidding. Your response, though, is exactly what I'd expect from you.

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

Bwahahahaha. You're kidding, right?

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

This whole issue has been an exercise in hypocrisy. Entertaining as fuck and I'm glad I followed the thread, but also hypocritical.

@Sunny did this same thing to people over on The Reach. There were plenty of Dunlin 'Elder' plots that the rest of us were excluded from, giving play only to a very small group of insiders+their friends, despite these plots having ramifications on the family as a whole. Where was the 'Oh why can't everyone be involved?' during that? Why is this now a big deal?

You're smoking crack, here. If the wiki were still up I'd point you to the logs of the bimonthly (that's twice a month) scenes I ran distributing metaplot information for months and months and months? That Mira put all the effort into the apocdoc for? I never ran any Dunlin Elder shit, not once, and I was barely involved in the plots that did run despite the fact that I was a faction head. You weren't excluded from shit. You excluded yourself from family scenes after you totally lost your shit on me OOC and tried to tell people I'd said you weren't welcome. We "cleared up the misunderstanding" and you participated again, but the reality of my time on TR is so dramatically different than what you're describing here it's laughable. Months and months of scenes whose sole purpose was to spread the Metaplot information as far and as wide as possible. This is fact. It's not my problem that you had such a problem with me that you refused to partake. You were a crazy bitch then, and you're a crazy bitch now.

You lost your OOC shit because of an IC fling you had with another player that went sour. Sorry that happened to you? Not sorry you went crazy over it and lashed out?
I was excluded. Others were excluded. They can jump in if they want to. Whether you ran the Dunlin Elder plots or not, you were involved and didn't make the move to get others involved, certainly didn't bitch quite this hard (or at all) that others were being excluded. You weren't running this KD plot, but felt the need to criticize because folks weren't being included. Same hypocrisy.

As for the FB message? Not ideal, that much I'll grant. But click delete, block, and it's gone. Instead of, you know, putting it up here for our amusement. For someone who claims not to want drama, there is a surfeit of things done to inspire it.

That's actually not even what happened in the thread. I said a rather polite 'I'm done' and that was that, at which point I got the e-mail from Skaldia, lost my temper, and posted it and the FB messages. I even specifically apologized because I'd lost my ability to be as graceful about this as I ought to be. It's not okay to harass someone outside of a game. It might be easy to deal with, but that doesn't make it an OK thing to do.

So essentially "I'm sorry but rather than actually being done, I'm going to drama anyway"?

Then there's this: "I complained quietly to one person when I was frustrated, a couple of times." "Then I logged off to take a break, and Ash shared the conversation we'd had with somebody else"
How are these things any different?

One is me expressing my frustration that I was running into as a player to another player. It's called griping. The other is taking a staff discussion and sharing it. I don't really care that she shared what I said. I care that she shared it with someone else with the express purpose of that person running off to bully me with it, that she was looking for validation instead of understanding, that she was focused more on 'poor me, look what I have to put up with' instead of acknowledging that there was a problem and bloody fixing it. THAT is why that bothered me.

One is you (were you a staff member at the time? Seems like you were but correct me if I'm wrong) bitching to another player. The other is another staff member bitching to another player who went and did something else. They are the same thing, even if you sugar coat it. That the person you bitched to didn't go off and bitch to said person doesn't make your actions any different. Just theirs.

Anyone who MUs knows that this will end badly. To be offended when it does is silly. You want to avoid drama but still get shit off your chest? Write it down in a (not online!) journal. Otherwise? Don't complain when the things you do are done to you.

I'll complain all I want to, snookums. If it were actually as you're trying to frame it, you'd have a point, but you're so far off in lala land (oh god I am so surprised) that it's basically babytown frolicks up in here.

Easy does it there, snookums.

Edited to add: In case anyone wasn't aware, @VulgarKitten was Lara on TR.

You know, in case you're one of the people who hasn't seen the playlist I posted publicly here ages ago saying that.

Wait. Tell me more! Could you expand on this even further?? With more assumption?

@surreality Dude. You just made an awful lot of assumptions based on a couple of my sentences. Throw some more rocks at that glass house

@surreality said:

Acting like staffers with ethics are rare as unicorns on the hoof is pretty amazingly ridiculous, which is absolutely how @VulgarKitten's post comes across, especially in how... myopic it is in regard to how most MU* staff corps actually function.

So wait. I'm sorry. I think I just hallucinated. My post that says "which, of course, doesn't always happen." comes across like staffers with ethics are rare as unicorns on the hoof? Sounds to me like you're viewing this through a certain lens. A lens named 'I'm probably guilty of this so I'm going to react strongly right now'.

@HelloRaptor said:

How does this relate to anything to do with logs? I mean, everything is dependent on a non-corrupt staff. If your starting point is corrupt staff, you're already in a shit place.

We were talking (at some point) about how ineffective logs can be. This was an example. Uh. Duh.

@Derp said:

that does not automatically a clique make. There could be legit reasons.

And maybe there isn't, and it is a clique! Who knows. Maybe it's not just a single instance, but a multitude of them. Maybe there are more reasons for someone saying they don't like cliques than just one. Crazy, right?

I feel like this is apt. And hilarious. Start at about the 3:20 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

@Arkandel I didn't say there was a problem for anyone else, just that it weirds me out personally. It really does. And can more often lead to lines blurring. As for your first point re: people who have paired up more than once vs RL couples; it's completely different on so many levels. One is an online relationship, the other is a relationship that (more often than not) includes far more intimacy and feelings and the general tendency to want to please the other person because sex (and other stuff not nearly so exciting)!

This whole issue has been an exercise in hypocrisy. Entertaining as fuck and I'm glad I followed the thread, but also hypocritical.

@Sunny did this same thing to people over on The Reach. There were plenty of Dunlin 'Elder' plots that the rest of us were excluded from, giving play only to a very small group of insiders+their friends, despite these plots having ramifications on the family as a whole. Where was the 'Oh why can't everyone be involved?' during that? Why is this now a big deal?

As for the FB message? Not ideal, that much I'll grant. But click delete, block, and it's gone. Instead of, you know, putting it up here for our amusement. For someone who claims not to want drama, there is a surfeit of things done to inspire it.

Then there's this: "I complained quietly to one person when I was frustrated, a couple of times." "Then I logged off to take a break, and Ash shared the conversation we'd had with somebody else"

How are these things any different? Both times it's staff sharing something quietly with one person. Who probably then shared with another. Who then shared with another. But wink wink Shhh! I'm only telling you, okay? So don't tell anyone else.
Anyone who MUs knows that this will end badly. To be offended when it does is silly. You want to avoid drama but still get shit off your chest? Write it down in a (not online!) journal. Otherwise? Don't complain when the things you do are done to you.

Also, even when there are logs pretty clearly showing one thing was said, and another thing was done? It's all dependent on a non-corrupt staff to care, which, of course, doesn't always happen.