@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
@Coin said:
Fanfiction communities are open to being read and criticized and experienced by non-ficcers.
Remember the other day when I was picking at you for using easily nitpicked language?
Well, fuck you for returning the favor, asshole.
I meant they are public enough that anyone can go and criticize, not that they are open to criticism as people.
Jerkfase twatmonkey.
Bookmarking to read your post later, too blurry from tears of laughter still.
@Coin said:
Fanfiction communities are open to being read and criticized and experienced by non-ficcers.
@Roz
Weird. The closest thing to being part of a fanfic thing was being part of a gaming/writing group...club...thing, where people wrote stories about their characters and the shared world we were using, but it was all original stuff (or rather, wasn't based primarily on any existing property). I know a lot of them went on to do fanfic type stuff, but it was like 6 girls and 5 guys, which is a pretty even split.
I'm willing to concede my experiences may just have been less representative. It was a long time before I really got that people were being serious when they talked about RPGs being male-centric. Virtually every gaming group I've ever played with in RL aside from the very first when I was in middle school, had as many or more females than males. Shadowrun, D&D, WoD, etc, it's pretty much always been that way.
I don't actually think all of MU* RP is fanfiction, it's just a dumb sweeping generalization to make that fanficcers are all batshit insane. So I brilliantly countered with another sweeping generalization.
Two wrongs don't make a right. C'mon, we need you to be the adult here. 
Fanfiction often gets thrown under the bus in fandom as kind of a "wrong" way to be a fan, which often means the "female" way to be a fan, so I'm biased in the other direction.
What? I mean, obviously, yeah it's totally the 'wrong' way to be a fan, but what's that got to do with women? Is this a stereotype I've managed to go decades without picking up on? My personal experience with fanficcers has been pretty well distributed between men and women.
Also, I'm a fucking hypocrite because I've read some doujinshi, so please take all of this with even more grains of salt than you probably already were. Not that fanficcers aren't the worst of the terrible, but I gotta cop to it.
@Roz
Maybe the fanfiction community should stop being so utterly filled with some of the most ridiculously crazy fucking people ever? Fanficcers make MU* drama queens seem utterly tame by comparison.
Really, though, I just think your definition is ridiculously wide. If you want to term, say, actors in a stage play with elements of improv as 'fanfic' too, you're welcome to but I think that's shit. Likewise, I don't really consider playing characters within a fictional environment expressly created for the purpose of playing a game to be fanfic, but I could see how if somebody only ever played Transformers, Mega Man, Kushiel, X-Men, blah blah blah insert other stuff based on otherwise self-contained stories, which frequently seem to involve running precreated characters from that setting alongside original creations, as 'kind of fanficcy'.
My 'twisted into fucked up expressions of fanfiction' line might have been unnecessary, but after all the strident essays on why such and such game's canon *is the only one that could ever possibly make sense and if you think Mega-Man isn't hot for Professer Xavier you can just die in a fire' or whatever the fuck, I'm probably biased.
I mean is anybody really going to deny that that crazy bitch who runs the Game of Thrones game isn't just running a giant fanfiction mill? Or that she and her gaggle of fawning supporters aren't just absolutely the worst?
@Roz said:
@HelloRaptor said:
Also, for all of her acclaim, it's G. Willow Wilson, not J.
Lol. At least we all messed up on that. Man, why did I think J?
I dunno. Apparently the G stands for Gwendolyn, and she's generally known as just 'G' according to Wikipedia. ;D
@Roz said:
@HelloRaptor said:
There are some people who can't just like something, they have to go completely batshit with their fanaticism. See: Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Any Given Sports Team, etc.
Basically the same sort of people who write fanfiction.
Man, we're on a forum for a hobby that is basically cooperative fanfiction.
If you have a weirdly expansive definition of fanfiction, I guess.
Or... I suppose if you just play at games based on existing entertainment properties that've been twisted into fucked up expressions of fanfiction, like most games based on books/movies/tv, it'd make sense to see it that way.
But like not every girl who is your friend is your girlfriend, not every expression of a fan playing with fiction is fanfiction.
@WTFE
I love you. Just for today. So much. That is fantastic.
@Roz said:
@Ganymede said:
@Roz said:
Or, you know, it's J. Willow Wilson, writer of the new (and acclaimed) Ms. Marvel and -- a woman.
People considered Dan Brown an "acclaimed" writer too.
I don't have much to add to that, but I think the explanation sounds trite and unnecessary.
Well, I consider Brown to be a popular writer more than anything else. I don't really know how he does with critics.
I guess it could sound trite and unnecessary, I was moreso trying to point out that Wilson has a pretty high amount of cred going into this, both in comics and journalism and other non-fiction writing. Her background is more academic than your average comic writer. However, a way easier way to rankle me would be remembering that writers like Bendis and Remender have a bunch of cred that drives me absolutely crazy, so there's that.
Cred or not, I still find her 'Feminist Paradise = Women Are In Charge' to be kind of weak, but the larger quote that I was picking at more turned out to not even be her.
I do like the new Ms. Marvel, sort of. I like the writing and the story, but a lot of the art style and perspective choices kind of grate on me. Camera perspective, not character perspective.
Also, for all of her acclaim, it's G. Willow Wilson, not J. 
I'm with @Coin, @WTFE. You could basically swap out Christopher Nolan for literally anyone else with a huge fan base and you'll find a large segment that acts exactly like that, in exactly the same ways.
There are some people who can't just like something, they have to go completely batshit with their fanaticism. See: Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Any Given Sports Team, etc.
Basically the same sort of people who write fanfiction.
Princess Rap Battles
The flow for Snow White vs Elsa is awkward and not so good, but they get progressively better, and a lot of the referential jokes are pretty funny. Galadriel vs Leia has one of the best snarky uses of a comma ever. ;D Also wtf surprise Sarah Michelle Geller?
Ranked in chronological order of production:
Ranked in order of awesome and lulz, more like:
Edit: Also surprise Yvonne Strahovski. o.O
@Glitch said:
@Roz I thought the premise and the characters themselves were pretty good, but I guess I wasn't as impressed by the story/conflict/whatever? I watched it all, don't get me wrong, but I was perhaps too hyped for it.
Also: Too. Much. Birthing.
This.
Though, really, I just heard it was super slow and had pacing/transition (rimshot) issues of the sort that may have worked for the show, but generally don't sit well with me, so I haven't really given it a try yet.
Apologies on the misattribution, and thank you for pointing that out to me. I'm not familiar with most writers/artists, and there's no gender pronouns in the topmost part of the article where she's noted.
I was skimming the prior paragraph leading up to the larger quote and juxtaposed G. Willow Wilson and Daniel Ketchum where it's talking about bringing Bennet on board, and uses the gender pronoun 'he'. The larger quote I used is also from Bennet (also a woman), not Wilson either, so apparently Soapbox isn't the only community whose names I keep swapping around.
That said, I stand by my sarcasm. If anything, that makes it worse. A world where the women hold the same disproportionate degree of authority in their society as men do in ours, but totally not for the same reasons, because god forbid.
My housemate said, when I showed her the quote, "A 'feminist utopia' would be one where everyone was equal, not one where 'women are in charge instead of men'."
That said, having had a while to think about it, it's possible it's just a really shitty description. A lot of leadership and authority, especially in fiction, tends to involve coincidence and opportunity as much as anything else. If it's a world where everyone is treated equally and not held back or pushed forward by their gender, then there's a certain probability that in a society that's split 50/50 by gender (please no spiral into gender fluidity/spectrum here) women would have been at the right place and the right time to take advantage of those opportunities. Like flipping heads a bunch of times instead of tails.
Blah blah blah, overthinking it. Which I wouldn't be doing if there hadn't been the prefacing line of "I really didn't want to have some kind of validating reason.", and she just hadn't come up with a poorly stated validating reason immediately afterwards.
Before anybody gets all their feathers ruffled, I've got zero problem with a world (comics or otherwise) where women are predominantly in charge. If that entire quote had just said "We didn't really want to have some kind of validating reason, so that's just the way it is. In our world, the people in charge just happen to be mostly women." I wouldn't have batted an eyelash. It's certainly a far more plausible idea for a world than a lot of the other patchwork stuff.
tl;dr As usual I'm just irritated by what are probably largely meaningless semantics in a throwaway comment. Also apparently terrible at putting the right name to the right post. I almost directed this one at @Arkandel instead of @Roz again. 
@tragedyjones
That first comic was like CSI except with a bunch of marvel characters who are also Thor now. That's just slop. I mean, I like CSI, and I like Thor, but what the fuck? I like chocolate and computers but I'd rather not have my motherboard made out of chocolate, that's just going to be a nonfunctional mess.
@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
Nobody would have asked.
Bullshit.
Nobody who matters would have asked? I can't account for all the random crazies in the world.
That's different, but still doesn't account for the amount of idiots who not only would have asked, but would have also raised a stink over it. Because it's about ethics in comic book journalism.
Why account for those idiots? Honestly, has anything ever been done in comics that draws outside the lines that hasn't raised a stink? i mean, I just assume that basically anything a comic ever does is going to raise internet outrage.
I suppose I could have clarified that in the context of the sort of people being addressed in the quote, none of them would have asked, but I figured that was kind of obvious.
@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
Nobody would have asked.
Bullshit.
Nobody who matters would have asked? I can't account for all the random crazies in the world.
@tragedyjones
I hate you so much.
I read like two pages into the CSI style scene in the first Thors and would have burned it if it were a physical object instead of a file. I settled for running it through a file shredder just to make sure it was gone forever. So terrible. 
@Arkandel
A-Force....what? Hadn't heard of this, so wikipedia'd it.
The series takes place following Marvel's 2015 "Secret Wars" crossover event, which finds the entire Marvel Universe, including the Avengers, disbanded. What is left is a patchwork of different environments and on one such environment called Arcadia, which Wilson describes as a "feminist paradise", a familiar threat arises that forces A-Force to come together.
Any time a guy says he's going to describe a "feminist paradise", I foresee incoming lulz.
It's this world where the Marvel heroines are leaders in their own civilization. I really didn't want to have some kind of validating reason... So I didn't want to do anything like, "all the men disappeared years ago" or "ever since all the menfolk were killed in that war" or something like that. There are men—there are heroes there. You'll see familiar faces and favorites, but the heroines are in charge, by majority. It's just this is how their world evolved. They were competent. They were clever and they were the ones in charge because of their skills and they were the best fit for these roles and demands of their world.
Sure, sure. I mean, isn't that always why one gender is predominantly in charge of a world? Because they're clever, skilled, and were the best fit for those roles and demands?
Protip: If you really didn't want to have a validating reason, don't give a reason. It's big multiverse. 'Just because' would have been fine. Nobody would have asked.
But still because it should not be said often enough: Don't pay $40 for an early access game on Steam. In fact, don't buy games early access on Steam Especial Steam Greenlight, unless you don't like money.
So much this. While there are occasional exceptions (sometimes Early Access games go on ridiculous sale, so yeah I'll pay $10 for a game I'll probably like instead of $40+ when it comes out), the rest is you basically paying to beta test games that may never see the light of day.
I admit that part of my distaste for this is not actually the beta test part. I've participated in beta testing programs for scores of games. Sometimes as part of a pre-order, so I suppose I also paid for it, but I also understood what beta test meant, something that soooo many people who buy in to Early Access games do not. They think they paid their money already so they should be getting a fully playable game experience, and get very upset when they don't, or when features change out from under them thus disrupting their gameplay. You know, like has happened in every beta ever. Even worse for games in alpha. >_<
Can... she seriously not turn off notifications or something? o.O
