Oh okay. I don't watch TV other than series that my hubby wants to watch on netflix or Honey Boo Boo and Hoarders stuff on youtube/amazon. Am I allowed to say that because it means I'm low class? Or is it pretentious to claim ignorance of a fame 5 figure because I'm a vampire who doesn't keep up with pop culture?

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RE: The Shame Game
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RE: The Shame Game
No. Absolutely the whisper campaign is meant for the target to know about. Shunning isn't fun unless it's very clear that that person knows that they are unwelcome; I've never seen it not occur without the PA taunts on channel or in scenes, ect. I have never seen a whisper campaign that ever was hidden. People aren't stupid, everyone knows damn well that anything said in page/semi-public channel/or skype always gets back. That is part of the point.
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RE: Can RP be art?
I'm not opposed to it being art. (I don't think of it as art per se, but maybe I attach the wrong label to what 'art' is)
However, if someone were to tell me that their mush writing is 'art', I'd probably be leery that they were kind of a pompous selfish scenehog. Mostly because the only people I've heard describe their play as that tended to be the people who would get very offended at other players interrupting this scene that they already had a vision for, since it was all about them. Luckily those have been few and far between.
But I would worry that they were less a collaborative player, and more one of those tiresome people who really wants for you to shut up and observe them as they write.
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RE: Interest/Volunteer Check: Major Multisphere Chronicles of Darkness
Because it's been asked several times, I'll kind of give a rundown of types of plots that I saw and/or ran during my time there, as well as how the multi-splat environment was handled.
First, the multisphere/rules challenge--to be honest as a beat cop this wasn't a big deal. Because of the nature of interactive with the public and in close quarters with other officers, hands down one of my FAVORITE things and source of enjoyment oocly was to see how players and PCs handled /keeping/ the IC masque. I realize that's kind of blah old school for a lot of people, but frankly it was really fun to see the creative ways that people would disguise or lowball things to avoid 'freaking the mundanes'. There was an informal "snowflake squad" of powered pcs (some supernaturals, some psychic) that were aware of each other because of things happening in game, but even then it was not a superfriends thing, I don't know that ICly I even knew what anyone was except for a few and that happened very organically. It wasn't important. An IC encouragement to keep the masque often helped give reasons for PCs to ICly moderate their use of powers as well. Those who refused or who really needed to wag their big dick around tended to not last long, at least not amongst the beat cop group, because honestly I don't think they cared for the player group ST styles, so they'd wander off to just do the RP of "I am a cop, but I don't really participate on screen with that," I assume.
I'm sure also some of the typical stereotypical bad behavior also was curtailed by the types of plots ran. They were very much slice of life. I think a lot of us pulled from old headlines of police action/older 'current events'. It wasn't guns blazing every 'episode'. I saw tense negotations/hostage situations, trying to find the location of a sniper/bomber, domestic calls, dealing with protestors, busting up prostitution/drug/domestic terrorist rings. Missing persons calls. Murder scenes. Sometimes there was a supernatural element involved, because, well...Aleswich. But most of the time when that took place it was subtle. Sometimes the plots were long/multilayered/twisty...sometimes it was just a crazy traffic stop or dealing with someone brandishing.
Because most of the players in the group I participated in not only enjoyed action as in fighty stuff, but also the psychological side of having to choose between no good choices, or the impact of making a very unfortunate choice, I think it probably bored/fended off some of the people who like to be OOC dicks who think they get to curbstomp people ICly.
But it wasn't a soap opera/monster of the week sort of thing. It was very much somewhere where the tension of covering up powers (if you had them) and the tension of being so part of the mundane world while having a secret came into play for the supers/M+s, and there was not really (again, just in the segment I participated in, the beat cops) a soap opera of bedhopping and relationships. Judging from channel behavior by new people now and then I think that probably some people who were very interested in the sexytimes soap opera (hey, it's been part of just about every long running cop drama that I've seen, so not throwing shade) or monsterhunters in blue might have felt a little ooc like they didn't fit in. But for me it was a very nice place to play with players that skewed genuinely no drama (At least in law
) and who were mature and supportive storytellers and participants.
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RE: Fanbase entitlement
Considering I was told to "adult more" when a weird guy sent me harassing stuff and then showed up unannounced at my appointment only business, yeah, this attitude of "what do you expect? it's your fault for being so famous/hot/searchable/ect" does not surprise me in the least. I think pewdiepie is adorbs because he's a really cute kiddo. Unfortunately in our culture ill people /kill/ their crushes/obsessions (and most of the time there will be plenty of people who say that it's the murder victim's fault too). So I hope now this means he'll take some extra security precautions--but I don't know. People spend milllions on security and yet people still manage to get into their houses, ect. I think I would be a whole hell of a lot more freaked out than he seems to be. Just in my very diminished personal experience of unannounced weirdo showing up on my biz doorstep has me still feeling unsafe if I'm there alone and I hate it.
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RE: Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.
Forgive my denseness, but I thought the work of twitch was entertainment, not "gaming". There are game developers that do the work of putting together games. There are writers that review (but they're most often working for a media resource), and then you have the demonstrators (which is what seems to me what YouTube and twitch are). Sexiness has been part of gaming development forever. Booth babes are a thing (Microsoft even had paid ones that yeah, were hired for their assets).
So, bikini babes are doing the same work as anyone else trying to draw an audience. Why begrudge them? Who they attract as loyal followers aren't likely to dovetail much with people who want to see more serious work through of the game. They're like booth babes. Who I think probably are underpaid for having to deal with what they do).
And still. They are not what makes a tool say "tits or gtfo". But you can use them as a tool when you say, sorry...I think my stream isn't what you are looking for. Have you tried X, y, or z? Bet you'll find what you are looking for over there."
In short, I think they are doing the same work, in a different style. You or I might find it distasteful or stupid, but oh well.
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RE: Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning
I had a reasonably sane and enjoyable experience with him when we played. This may be because he didn't think I had anything to offer ICly or oocly and thus it was just fun play rather than the manipulation game? There were tons more people on that game I found more unfun both ICly and oocly. I think the danger zone seems to be if you are a rival or he views you as a stepping stone.
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RE: Shadows Over Reno
I have extraordinary patience for apps, since for whatever reason I seem to be a kiss of death app (with a few rare exceptions). I never got approved on TR with a turn around time of less than 2 weeks (even though I never had anything "special")--even when I was a staffer, and even when it was in a sphere in which I was on good terms with the sphere staff (so, no favoritism on at least look/respond even, jeez did I get the short end of the stick). On a battlestar game I once waited over a week in chargen, because the app person would tell me one thing wrong with my app and then not respond to anything for at least 24 hours--I would correct the one thing they'd mentioned immediately, and then they'd say "Oh yeah, i forgot about X too". They did this 4 times. Until they couldn't log in, and I got "assistance" from another staffer who then complained about all the things that the original one had told me to set up like that.
And then never logged in, and I got handed off to a third!
However, it is NOT bad or wrong to feel angst over that kind of lag in CG. Because you are missing out on meeting folks to form up (honestly, I don't know that I would ever worry about permanently missing out on metaplot on a WoD place, but I understand why it can feel urgent!). It is super hard to see people log in post your submission and get approved in less than half the time while you're still waiting on approval after correction. RL sucks, but it also has an impact to the game, like it or not. It is what it is. It's not unreasonable or mean for someone to be annoyed at slipping through the cracks, and at least (I hope) Lithium is doing whatever she can politely in the +job and pinging and venting about it elsewhere vs. being one of those people screaming and crying and ranting and pouting on pub chan. (It used to piss me off to see those folks get approval beause they threw fits on the game, while I was still waiting to be approved after getting a "if everything looks good, let me know and I will approve you!" response on my job, responding immediately with a "Yes, thank you very much!" and still waiting 72 hours later.
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RE: Help With Played Bys
Me too!
And I share Sunny's lack of good age gauging. Though I think to some degree, 30-40 can be super hard to gauge for anyone. I am constantly (and not by people trying to blow smoke up my ass) mistaken for being a decade+ younger than I am. It's not because I truly look younger than average than my age, but just that most people kind of look the same once they get out of their mid twenties until their mid forties it seems, especially women. (Unless you're a smoker). I am really good at gauging the age of children-teenagers, but that is only because I'm a mom and have spent so much time volunteering with youth organizations, I think.
Or I could be full of shit, and just a bad judge of age/bodies of adults. Who knows. The only class I almost failed in college was the meat grading one.
I can't grade a cow's ass while it's still alive to save my own, apparently. (Once it's butchered it's easy peasy!)
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RE: Superhero Games: Quest For Villain PCs
I think also that there is a tendency for non-villain PCs to hammer the villain/antagonist PCs oocly, or to treat them as if they exist solely to provide non-challenging scenes for the heroes/protagonists. (This can also be a problem in PvP, but on games where PvP is expected/encouraged there is often kind of at least a token effort to see all PCs as having vital goals of their own, not just a bit part in someone else's story).
I have seen more obnoxious protagonists than antagonists, long term. Probably because the people who survive for awhile as protagonists tend to be some of the better RPers out there (so people worth their salt will want them around for a bit because they are fun), and many have to OOCly learn how to communicate well. When people think they're entitled to a win or that they are more important, they tend to just steamroller and behave as if there's not another player involved except to serve their own interests.
Of course there are people who play antagonists very badly, who also have that communication issue. Or they just enjoy being dicks. Just in my personal experience it's the heroes or people who see their characters as heroes that tend to behave the most entitled.
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RE: Hyper Focused Game Setting
General Hospital of Darkness. I like it.
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RE: Politics etc.
Honestly the original rfk made me realize the importance of ethical and sacrificial staff to running a truly active political but oocly safe game.
I had been playing large multi sphere wod for so long my assumption of staff was largely that they were benign impediments and scaffolding help.
It was eye opening to see how much staff can have an impact--but also to see how high the bar truly is for sustaining things long term.
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RE: Where's your RP at?
I played on PC death expected games. I've had PCs killed within a week of cg. My PC has accidentally killed another (remember dousing that guy with soapy water on SR Detroit, @Shayd ?).
There was nothing more magical or intense about Shadowrun games in the 90s that stuff today. It was just a different culture. Oh by the way they didn't have xp rollover either!
Usually people who can only think of PC death to create tension and shit are pretty unimaginative and lazy in my experience, especially on games where it is not culturally the norm. You can create tension and stuff without it or by letting people have options.
I've chosen to kill off or go with a crappy dice roll death on wod PCs. Though then you run into the issue of because it is not so cultural, some people do it to attention whore too, or to make people feel bad before they reroll their xp into a new PC.
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RE: Changing Breeds: Durgar's Blessing
Please can it initially heal as a little baby arm that has to grow during the next stage of combat wangery? Please?!??
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RE: Where's your RP at?
In addition most systems do have a get out of jail free way to get around PC death, even if it costs something in return.
I think people who fixate on death as the only measure of True Morality on a consent game are kind of weird. Even on games that are anything goes, usually people don't think like that.
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RE: Where's your RP at?
But this happens all the time in wod non-consent games anyway.
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RE: Where's your RP at?
But people do not. That's what I'm saying. Crappy ass rpers who overly rely on their stats or temper tantrums happen everywhere.
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RE: Where's your RP at?
Deal with it, @Ghost like a real person who can handle real stress!
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RE: Storytelling
If Jane interacted out on the grid 4 times with different people,, even if it was social, why shouldn't that be rewarded, vs. Bob who only shows up for 'important' plot scenes? (I think we all know people like that).
Personally I enjoy risk a lot. Not all the time, but I feel most engaged with a mix of both. I have had PCs that only showed up for shoot 'em up scenes though. And my favorite PC primarily did social and networking stuff for like a year because nobody invited me to anything more than that (and I was too intimidated for awhile to realize that I could run my own stuff, once that changed then I was a lot happier!)
I don't understand the need to denigrate one kind of activity over the other. "Important" risky scenes are often long and involve a lot of rules. It's not everyone's cup of tea. Social scenes, especially big mixers, are draining for a lot of people, and they avoid them like the plague.
I guess it's a pet peeve of mine when people who are consistently active (they say yes to a lot of folks seeking rp, they're willing to meet new folks even if it's not super exciting environments, ect) are perceived as less deserving/good than people who can't be assed to show up unless it's a Super Important Metaplot Thing.
This is a separate issue from calling a meet and greet a PRP though. I wholeheartedly agree that it isn't.
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RE: Storytelling
I've run into that playstyle often enough that I'm pretty sure there are a few mushes or have been where that's just how things were done. It's frustrating to me because while I do like to toss dice (more for the random opportunity to fail and fail horribly), to me that's not really the kind of role playing that enjoy. I want to see real poses, ect.
If this is on a place where the above isn't the predominant culture, I'd be inclined to push a bit. (We're not going to do this via request, we're going to resolve it in rp, so the info you receive and how will be tied in part to your poses and not just OOCly stated actions). If it is the culture though, or the vast majority of the group and that's what they like though...harder call. I think the ST should get to have fun too, but sometimes you have to work with the ooc capabilities of the group too, and not everyone is going to meet your personal play standards all of the time, you know?