Posts made by Thenomain

@thatguythere said in Make MSB great again!:

So Yay we have a section with all the discussion value of holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

I was going to correct, but it turns out that you're currently right. From the Advertisement Thread's Rules of Engagement:

This is not the place to criticise [...] You may also post links to such criticisms on a game's advertisement thread, but please no more than that.

So yes, singing Kumbaya with occasionally someone allowed to put up a post-it note if they feel like it's worth it. Seeing how people don't use the forums made available already, I feel this is a move that at best doesn't understand its user-base.

@ganymede said in Make MSB great again!:

@arkandel said in Make MSB great again!:

Maybe all you have is the glimmer of an idea, maybe you have a fully coded game but no staff, but where do you go to find collaborators?

I don't think a Classified section is a bad idea. There, you can ask for help, players to join your group on a game, etc.

http://musoapbox.net/category/12/mu-questions-requests

It gets very little love. I've seen more questions in the Constructive forum than here.

@three-eyed-crow said in Make MSB great again!:

In my ideal world, the threads in the ad forum become locked to except to the original poster (who can theoretically post updates) and the board admins (who can theoretically do necessary maintenance and link things). Nobody else posts in them.

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@faraday said in Make MSB great again!:

So we have the ad thread, for the ad. Then if folks want to discuss the game, good and bad, that can go into a review thread.

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Now here's a train I can get on.

@ganymede said in Make MSB great again!:

That's why I think there should be a separate game review place. That's where the advertiser cannot control what's being said, good or bad. Create a new forum for them, even.
As for respect for others, that's something that cannot really be policed except by ourselves.

Except this is how I see this playing out:

1. I think this place is great! Let me post to the Advertisement Forum!
2. I think this place sucks! Let me post to the Review Forum!

I don't at all think that it's this black-and-white, but for the sake of illustration as to why I think the attempt would rise to more and not less biased channels of communication. Fracturing the discussion diminishes it.

If an advertiser wants to wipe an entire thread from their thread, let them. And if sycophants come to trumpet, so be it. I think it's reasonable for the average visitor to the Internet know that not all positive reviews are objective.

No review is objective; an objective review is called a "fact sheet", and even then....

Platonic ideals aside, I strongly believe that a discussion is always better than expecting everyone to be on the same page.

@faraday said in Make MSB great again!:

It's the vitriol. The vehemence. The "this is what's wrong with MUSHing" or "this is what's ruining our hobby" of "these players are the worst". People are entitled to those opinions, of course, but I fail to see how it resembles anything approximating "Constructive".

I would like to support my fellow, here.

This makes the following harder for me to say:

@ganymede said in Make MSB great again!:

But, yes, this. Keep advertising free-and-clear of negativity. Open up a Yelp! section for honest/dishonest reviews of the game. Mark clearly.

But allow the Advertisement thread to be filled with sycophants just because they're being positive about the game? How is that useful for the hobby?

And a Game Reviews forum would either have the same problem as the Advertisement threads in that there's no clear distinction between it and the Hog Pit.

Most importantly, police each other politely.

To police each other, there needs to be a respect of the views of others. I also want my pony, Gany, but I'm not seeing this good neighbor approach lately. Some people have told me they've never seen it, but that's the burden of being an optimist.

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@Arkandel: It's not censorship if it's against the rules. We have even back on Wora been able to recognize when something has gone too far, and it was a hell of a lot easier splitting threads back then than it is with this new system. What we had on Wora that we didn't really have on Soapbox is someone to act.

@ganymede

I’m funnier when I typo. This surprises no one.

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@thenomain said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Pedantic Note: For our hobby, “one character” and “one alt” are synonymous.

So is "Ganymede's physical instinct when she sees Thenomain" and "savage kick to the gonads."

This is what I get for cutting this discussion off at the pass. It is far easier to say how man you alts you have, vs. how many characters, so I approve of this Humpty Dumpty redefinition of “alt”. It fits this hobby well: Quite wrong, but we prefer it that’s way.

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@social-diseases said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I could probably see allowing 2, maybe 3 characters so long as those characters were sufficiently different in focus, but...

No, no, no. Not 2 alts. Not 3.

One. One alt. (Ah, ah, ah.) Especially on an FC game, which is what we're talking about.

Pedantic Note: For our hobby, “one character” and “one alt” are synonymous.

That is all.

@arkandel said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 7:30 EST:

By the way, automated backups seem to work properly. I have on- and off-site daily data and image (avatars, etc) .bz2 archives going back 21 days, which should be enough for now. I might need to reinstall the forum if something catastrophic happens to the Linode but at least we aren't likely to have a WORA-level loss again.

I want to note that I have both the last Wora backup and Swofa flat-files floating around on my hard drive. It's not trivial to pull data from it, but if anyone needs and my giv-a-dam is not too low, I can look to find the information.

So I lost this response somewhere between the doctor's office and here. Let me see if I can replicate it:

There have been, and still are a lot of very popular games with toxic staffers, some of them in spite of it but others because of it.

Staffing is work, it's unforgiving and takes dedication and it takes passion. And you know what a lot of toxic people have? Passion. And you know what a lot of passionate players do? Become passionate staffers. Some of them are not self-aware, but a lot of people are aware just how big of jerks they are and wear it like a badge of pride because they get things done, because enough people feed their egos that they feel justified.

I'm not saying that any of this is okay, but PHBs (Psycho Hose-Beasts) have been running successful games, Muds and Mushes and Superhero and WoD and Pern and you name it, for decades. And as more reasonable, balanced people tend to leave the hobby, we pretty much expect this. A lot of people justify it to themselves, to each other, for decades.

I have no answer to this. I've been on these forums long enough to see the cycles and to want to get out of some of them. Is this view blunt honesty or toxic behavior? Different people will tell you different things about me, and that's a huge problem with the idea that is the core conflict with how this discussion has formed itself; few people can agree on what is a bad staffer, but damn are we ready to tell others what they should think one is!

I'm being part of the problem by participating in the same "no, I'm right", but while we're all in the chaos of the creative commons of open discussion, I wanted to get in my two cents.

@ghost said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@kanye-qwest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Or you could maybe disallow all OOC communication, like an RPI?

XD.

This would do great things for the community.

No who/where, no ooc chatter, no events systems, no boards? Even if we presume that "ooc communication" only means channels and pages and an OOC area and not also an 'ooc' command for chatting out of character in a room or all the other non-character-knowledge commands, this is not a cure-all.

I could say, "Meh, do what you want; it's your game," but a lot of people are basically saying what people should be doing with their own game in this thread, so that's not going to fly.

... Unless you were being sarcastic, in which yes, I agree.

@arkandel said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 7:30 EST:

@thenomain Weird though, that's the same plugin we were using before. I had never used it myself, mind you, but I'd have expected the interface to be the same... maybe it's a newer version thing.

Well I’ve also never used it. I’ve tried using ignore on people in the past, but it turns out that I can’t follow the conversation when I can’t see what people are responding to. Funny that. To me it’s far easier to see what people are seeing and roll my eyes; I am kept in the know and my eyes get some valuable exercise.

@arkandel said in Transfer of MSB tonight: 7:30 EST:

@thenomain You don't see an eyeball on the usernames' right side in every post?

Oh is that what that’s for? Moderately bad interface design, but yeah, I see it. Huh.

@arkandel

I don’t see it. I don’t use it, but I see only the share options and flag post options under the dots, nothing next to the name.

@three-eyed-crow said in RL things I love:

I'd never watched the theatrical cut before this weekend (I have the DVD set that includes it but usually watch The Final Cut when I want to pull it out again). So I'd always heard about the checked-out Harrison Ford voice-over but never experienced it. Man oh man, you can almost feel someone holding a contractual obligation gun to his head.

I mean, it is pretty bad, but we must remember that Harrison Ford was, to be frank, not that good of an actor. That could have just as easily been him reading in a voice he thought was noir.

I saw the original Batman movie in the theatre. You kids don’t understand how good Adam West was as Batman.

I mean, he was no Christian Bale.

But yeah, Animated Series pretty much saved after-school cartoons and almost single-handedly brought comics back into the collective consciousness. The X-Men movies pretty much solidified it.

Now if anyone wants to say anything but Christopher Reeves for Superman, we can take this outside.

@ghost

What the fork?

(I’ve started watching The Good Place. It’s got me hooked.)

@fatefan

It could possibly follow the FC + Traits mentality: The character is already pretty much set; the goal is to codify it. Therefore, a chargen system isn't necessary.

@autumn said in RL Anger:

@thenomain I'd be fine if they just made another Wonder Woman movie with some cameos from Jason Momoa and called it "Justice League."

Let's just give Momoa his own movie and cameos in Wonder Woman's set of movies, yes.

@bobgoblin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

I believe the reason people are accepting of it is because there's no alternatives.

If your choice is Play Superhero Game where you Describe on Stats vs. Don't play Superhero Game, you take the option that is available.

My quandry is if people accept it, and even seem to like it ( @Tempest was asking specifically for it, even), then why don't as many people accept or even like Fate Core?