@silverfox said in The Desired Experience:
I feel like this is, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink."
I'd agree, with the corollary that if you are actively telling people that X position is wanted/vacant, it sort of behoves you to provide a little somethin' somethin'.
@arkandel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@greenflashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
It's not that the material there isn't sexy to me. I never expected it to be. It's that it's so unsexy to me I sincerely can't tell whom it's meant to be sexy for. Do straight women really like videos of shirtless men flexing their abs while pretending to receive a beejer, or is this what straight men think straight women find sexy?
A lot of this isn't really about what's sexy regardless of one's sexual preferences.
For example many straight guys like the idea of getting really jacked. That is, the Arnold-style muscles, having big biceps, ripped shoulders, all that stuff.
But that's not necessarily what women want. It's what guys want for themselves. Or think they do, until they realize it takes a lot of very hard work to get there, they won't be able to scratch their own backs again, and they won't find regular clothes that fit them - or even fit in most car seats.
I'd argue more that it's what guys are told they want by the media. The same way women are told that they want x, y, and z features in every fashion or women's magazine.
Not that some men don't genuinely want it, but it's definitely more media manipulation than genuine desire for most.
@ganymede said in Forum wonk:
@tinuviel said in Forum wonk:
In theory. If it contains all private messages, maybe... not.
I was expecting a dick joke and I was disappointed.
Disappointing women isn't that unusual.
@ganymede said in Forum wonk:
But I like the idea of the DB going to a member.
In theory. If it contains all private messages, maybe... not.
@derp said in Paying for a MU*?:
@tinuviel said in Paying for a MU*?:
and then there's going to be people that try to get the law involved because real financial exchange has happened and that always leads to lawyers eventually.
This.
And lawyers ruin everything.
@arkandel said in Paying for a MU*?:
There's no half-sane staff
I think that sentence can just end there.
There's going to be people that fuck it up royally, there's going to be people for whom it works fine, and then there's going to be people that try to get the law involved because real financial exchange has happened and that always leads to lawyers eventually.
@krmbm Agreed. Which is why I think I can better understand some code-stuff being for pay. "I need an events system with X, Y, and Z features," for instance. It's just like paying a tradesperson.
The line is a little irritating, but it could be useful. Since it's different colours for posts you haven't read yet... so you know where you're up to later.
@thhppbbbt It's a different kind of entitlement, perhaps, when someone pays.
And I'm specifically saying pay, not donate, not gift, but pay. As in "exchange money for a service." They feel well within their rights to complain and quibble on every detail if their experience with the service isn't adequate.
And if X-group of people is paying enough to sustain the game and pay staffers... who is staff going to listen to when complaints about behaviour come up?
@saosmash True. There's definitely a point where the cost becomes enough that people are more... sensible.
But MUs are definitely smelly retail/fast-food places, not a lawyers office.
@thhppbbbt said in Paying for a MU*?:
I’m sort of baffled by the through-line I’m seeing here - that money would make it worse because what if it gets weird or they turn out to be terrible and entitled?
How is it baffling? Some people that pay money for a thing become more irritating and entitled.
Yes, you can ban them, refund them, whatever... But chances are that the person running the game isn't going to be the first person that encounters them. And when money flows in... how long until a head-staffer (who aren't always known for their sense anyway) becomes more like the manager that acquiesces because the person is paying them money?
@arkandel said in Paying for a MU*?:
but paying a MU* coder is the equivalent of a professional, skilled chef volunteering at a soup kitchen who is given a tip jar.
Depends on what you're paying them to do.
Paying them to essentially build you a game is different to paying them to hang out and fix shit that's broken and do whatever little tasks you can think of.
@arkandel said in Forum wonk:
Be the change you want in the world!
I'm middle class, white, and male. I am the world (as it stands in the current patriarchal-capitalist-white supremacist paradigm)
@arkandel We don't even need to migrate, really. We can just close this bit. Put it into a "you can't post here anymore" mode or something, and open something new. This can serve as an archived snapshot.
@mietze said in Paying for a MU*?:
i am not sure we've ever rped so I dunno.
We've been in the same insular, incestuous hobby for a while now. Chances are high.
@mietze It's interesting to see the lines we draw. Most of us, even if we wouldn't do it ourselves, see no issue in paying a coder for their time in coding a whole game from scratch. But we'd baulk at the idea of paying a storyteller.
I don't know what that means, but it's interesting.
@mietze said in Paying for a MU*?:
there are a few people in the community that you could offer me $500 to run a scene for and unless I had a bill to pay absolutely no way in fucking hell.
You can just @ me next time. Gosh.
On the topic of paying for a service, specifically a MU, one would presumably have to be careful what kind of source material they used. Could someone, for instance, be able to make money off of a WoD game? Or a D&D one?
Donations for infrastructure costs is one thing, but "getting paid to run a MU" leads to other legal questions.
So long as the Hog Pit isn't quietly misplaced in the move, I don't care which option you lot choose.
@sixregrets said in Forum wonk:
@faraday said in Forum wonk:
What do you mean? I can go to an individual page for a long-running forum thread in Discoure on the Ares forum.
I was referring to a particular page in a thread, not a 'web page'. Conventional forums having 20 or 40 posts per page in a given thread, for example. I don't believe that Discourse separates posts into separate pages for display.
I honestly forgot this forum offers that option, as I never use it.
@derp There does also seem to be some utility available to import a nodeBB board over to Discourse. Probably for the tech crew than us schmucks, though.