Do you guys ever get TS burn out?

Frequently, when I'll get into a IC relationship with someone. We bang, they love it, then it's all that happens.

I try and get to know their friends, but they won't introduce me. I try and go out of the house with them, I try and do dates and have romantic outings but it's almost always something that the other person is just enduring until they to get back to the fucking.

I try to expand my characters social circles outside of the bedroom but usually I end up isolated and eventually I'll just stop logging in.

I think if I start playing again I might be bad at TS just to avoid the same thing happening again. I enjoy the social aspects of TS but I don't want it to be everything there is and for some reason that happens to me a lot.

Funny side note: I was once a werewolf dating a kinfolk who was really popular and everyone thought we were the cutest couple. She wanted to have kids and stuff and I was all down with that but she got pregnant then just kept having sex.

She got even more horny at the idea of being pregnant. I actually asked some of my pack mates to bang her so I could have some peace and quiet. She was "secretly" having an affair with my best friend thinking she was getting away with something and it barely made a dent in her appetites.

I ended up trying to die a heroic death so I could roll another character and rejoin my pack without being attached to her and the fucking dice just kept saving my life. Over and over and over I survived the most insane things. I ended up gaining rank for slaying Wyrm beasts and exposing corruption of the land because the game would not let me die.

I would also recommend the Netflix series Big Mouth.

The animation looks weird and is offputting on initial inspection but the show is great and broaches a lot of subjects people don't normally talk about. It's the story of kids going through puberty accompanied by Hormone Monsters who both care about them deeply and often talk them into taking the worst possible courses of action.

@Auspice said in How to Approach (nor not) a Suspected Creep:

So I ask you MSB: have you ever been in this spot? What did you do, if anything?

I played on a game with a strip club on it and I saw this often. Once, we were having bar chatter and this guy just came up to one of the girls and asked if he could suck her toes. Not go somewhere and do it, but just right there at the bar. Everyone was instantly uncomfortable with the situation and he would not take no for an answer.

Rather than deal with it OOCly where I knew he would throw a tantrum I paid the stripper for a lapdance in the VIP room and we left. He had the nerve to ask if he could come with me. Pathetic. We didn't even do anything sexual in the VIP room. We just laughed at him and talked.

Creepers gotta creep, I guess.

Back on the topic about TS:
I temped Jim Gordon once for a Batman who needed him for a plot.
In what was at best 3 weeks of time I got hit on by Batgirl, (His daughter), Montoya (Who was supposed to be gay, I think?), Volcana (The villainess who sets fire to things) and a low-level OC magic-user whose name I don't remember.

Moral of the story: If you want to score virtual women, be someone's daddy.

I was spelling "Sweet tea" as "Sweat tea" for YEARS before someone finally pointed out I was confusing the two words.
DOH!!

Also, if you look at the gas gauge on your car there is a little icon of the gas pump. That isn't to tell you it's the gas gauge. it's got a little arrow on one side of the icon to tell you where you can put the gas in at without having to get out of the car and look. It's literally GAS GOES THERE >

When you live in the country, feeding birds bread from your car while you wait and listen to the radio is fine. Do it in a large city and it can cause a traffic jam as hundreds of pigeons descend on the sidewalk and shit all over everyone's cars. My bad, L.A.! My bad!

Oh, also, when you are cooking don't pour grease down your sink. Even with dish soap or warm water. Just because it doesn't clog up your sink doesn't mean it's not a problem. Grease congeals in the sewage lines and some poor asshole has to crawl in there and flush it out. Instead put some aluminum foil in a bowl and drip the grease into it then when it cools just fold up the foil ball and throw it in the trash. It would save your city a lot of money if everyone did this.

I would like to see a games that actually have an adult rating.
I saw first hand when super-hero games started curbing TS and violence to appeal to a younger audience the popularity died.

Now when you log in to a Super-hero based game there are 20 people idle for 6 hours and a handful of people in the OOC room chatting but actual RP rarely happens and I think a lot of that is because no one builds relationships. People just go there to have play-dates where they punch NPC's with someone who might as well be a stranger.

Maybe it was just me, but the part I liked most about MUSHing in the old days was having connections. I had friends and through them they had friends and some times people would fuck and have relationships, even virtual dates. It was escapism. Some times people would argue ICly. Some times people would get jealous or cheat on each other.

There were downsides to it of course like Colossus and Quicksilver banging their sisters but for the most part that stuff was behind closed doors.

I really think when you force a politically correct rating on a game it kills the depth of the drama that can happen on it. Not just marvel either. I've seen the same things happen to WoD games. You curb sex and violence and it poisons the game.

As soon as a staff tries to stuff human nature in a box to protect the purity of "Any children who might be playing" a game about werewolves gutting people, the game starts to die.

If you look at the popularity of different styles of MUSHes the more censored the players are, the fewer players stick around. This isn't a passing trend. It's every theme, every game that does it.

In this day and age, if someone has been online long enough to find a MU*, download a telnet client and learn how to use the commands, they probably have seen a penis before.

We shouldn't have to give up having in-depth, emotionally impactful stories in order to protect the potential innocence of some kid who probably watches Futa-tentacle-hentai porn when no one is watching.

Just put it right on the log in screen. "This is an adult game. By signing in you are testifying that you are above 18 or the legal age to see adult content in your nation of origin." then if some one less than 18 logs in it's not our problem.

@Paris Don't feel bad, most Americans use words wrong all the time. English is a messed up language.
My land lord used to give her daughter "Exuberating Cream" to "Exuberant" her face and prevent pimples.

The word she was looking for was actually "Exfoliating Cream" but no one ever seemed to correct her and I wasn't about to get on her bad side by doing it. Besides, the mistake was kind of poetic. Using the face wash did seem to make her skin very happy and relaxed.

@three-eyed-crow
I guess I could just be mature enough to break up with them but it just seems so rude and insulting. Also it feels kind of silly to say, "I'm more than a penis you know!" there just never seems to be a way to do it without it being super-awkward.

@coin

Relationships aren't built on love, they are built on the capacity to look past the other person's bullshit and control your own enough to be tolerable. Love is what you give each other as a reward for doing this.

@Meg said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

because nothing bad happened to me, definitely nothing bad ever happened because of this style of parenting, and it's definitely the right one.

That's not what I'm saying and you know it. I'm saying it's very, very, unlikely that the terrible things you are afraid of will actually happen but if you teach your children to be hyper-vigilant and afraid of everything, that IS something bad happening to them.

If you want to see what teaching your children to be afraid of the world does to people, go to a gun show some time.

@Lotherio said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

You're advocating parents shouldn't stop kids from learning what a vagina is for on-line and need to stay out of their kid's business cause, furry muck is the bastion of developmental education online?

Yes. I am arguing that teenagers going to places where sex is a theme to learn about sex is not inherently evil.
Generations before us have done this, generations after us will do it too.
We shared playboys and VHS tapes. They have Anime forums and Tick-Tock (Or whatever kids are using these days)
Young people exploring their sexuality is not the end of the world.
It is not something parents should try to put an end to.
Instead, parents should be open with their kids so when the kid has questions they will come to the parent.

Teaching young people that everywhere that there is any form of sexual idea is dangerous just teaches children to be afraid of everything. I have seen this happen IRL. My mother was a total control freak when it came to my sister. She made her wear tacky culottes shorts under her skirt and taught her to never be alone with a male adult, she wasn't allowed to go to the mall or anywhere in public without other girls or my mother with her and my mother wasn't the only one like this. Lots of parents did this to their daughters and those daughters grew up to be neurotic, paranoid, nutcases because they had been conditioned to be afraid of everything.

As a boy, I was allowed to run all over the place, play with whomever I wanted to, go hiking in the woods, exploring caves, break into old abandoned houses, whatever I wanted and no one batted an eyelash and you know what? None of us ever died or got kidnapped or had anything bad happens to us just because we were outside in the world.

Teaching kids to be afraid of everyone, all the time, is damaging those kids.
Those worst-case scenarios are exceedingly rare, but if you make your child afraid of the world, you will 100% fuck them up for the rest of their lives.

That's my argument. Parents should be there for their children but let children develop at their own pace because the worst thing that can happen probably won't happen, but if you act like it will you're probably doing almost as much harm.

@Ghost said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

have a hard time not being incredulous about believing that "finding out why your child is having fun roleplaying blood slut sexual TS with adults on the internet" may be taking a front seat to "immediately finding out if this is a case where they KNOW your child is a minor, are still doing it anyway, and your child is the subject of a predator's online behavior."

Once again: PARENTS CAN'T TELL HOW OLD THE OTHER PERSON IS, OVER THE INTERNET!!
Omg, why can't you get this? You're like having an entirely different conversation because you can't get this basic concept.

Parents can't control if some creeper is online TSing with kids and you're assuming that the adult in this situation knows the kid is, in fact, a kid. You are talking about this wildly improbable, worst-case scenario where a super-predator has target your child and used his well-honed brain-washing techniques to lure your child into some dangerous situation but that isn't happening 99.9% of the time and when it does happen it usually ends when the kid tries to go see the adult and gets caught.

I'm not talking about your paranoid, nightmare scenario. I'm talking about what really happens on a real day-to-day basis where kids go online to things like Furry MUCKs and or Anime games and someone teaches them what the vagina is for.

I'm talking about the parents that try and stop that.

No one disagrees with you on the idea that if a parent finds out an adult is knowingly creeping on their child that parent should shut that shit down and call the FBI. No one.

@Meg said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

@Carex holy shit, there are so many red flags in your post, mate. like honestly, don't TS with minors.

and no one is arguing with you but parents can't control adults on the other end of the internet they can only parent their kid.

@tek said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

And if you don't understand the difference between a kid getting involved in developmentally appropriate horny shit with kids their own age and getting into stuff with adults that will fuck them up

Again, parents can't control that. They have no way of knowing if the person on the other end of a chat program is an adult or not. They have no way of knowing if the person their kid is MUSHing with is 15 or 50. You can't build your parenting strategy around things you can't control or even know. Trying to is just going to hurt your relationship with your kid.

I believe, underage kids shouldn't be allowed on adult theme games like World of Darkness in the first place.

If you do allow kids on your game, you should not allow TS.
These are choices for the game creators to make not choices for the parent.

Why is it perfectly ok for a 15-year-old to be on a game about vampires murdering people for blood and vengeance right up until the point someone describes a pair of tits?

If you're a parent and you want to keep your child safe from corruption, why are you letting them play on a game about immortal murder hobos? If your kid is advanced enough to play a murder hobo why aren't they advanced enough to imagine sex?

I'll tell you why, because parents don't really think their kids are going to go out and murder someone but they are pretty sure their precious little angel will go out and suck a dick at the slightest provocation. That's what this is about. Parents want to control their kid's thoughts because they are afraid but telling your kid not to imagine things and think about things isn't going to work. It has never, ever, in the history of the world, worked.

Instead, maybe parents should talk to their kids about what they are doing and feeling, without judgment, no matter how uncomfortable it makes the parents. That's all I'm saying.

@Meg said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

Honestly I don't know what you are trying to argue now. Let children TS on the internet? Ok.

I'm arguing that if your kid is on a MUSH pretending to be a blood-slut or a hairy lupus homicidal murder machine then your kid isn't an innocent little angel in need of you saving them by you telling them they aren't allowed to do those things. It's just going to drive a wedge into your relationship because the moment you say your kid isn't allowed to do that, you are judging them. You are telling them their actions are repulsive and you love them less because of this imaginary game.

Instead, if you find out your kid is playing a blood-slut for some vampire on a MUSH or a werewolf or whatever you could show interest, ask them why they play that. Why is it fun. Hell, you could even (And I know this may be shocking to some parents) join them in their hobby! Have them teach you how to make a vampire or something.

Instead of telling them what they can't pretend to do or what they shouldn't think about, talk to them about it.
Maybe your kid is more advanced than you think? Making them feel guilty and forcing them to distance themselves from you even more is probably not the best answer.

You guys keep talking about people grooming kids, well who is more likely to protect their child, a parent who makes themselves part of their kid's lives or a parent who pressures them and drives them into hiding what they are doing?

Young people are going to be horny, stupid, idiots. No amount of scolding, rules, or restrictions is going to change that.
Hell, when I was young the internet didn't even exist and we still had playboy magazines when we were 15.

The idea that you can keep your child perfectly safe and innocent is unrealistic.
If you want to keep them safe and healthy, then be there for them, be there with them.
Don't be the punishment they fear.

That's what I'm saying.

@tek said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

That's a crime-crime.

For the adult, yes, but not the child.
We aren't talking about the adult on the other end.
The parent can't influence them.

@Meg said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

Telling them when to go to bed, when to take a shower, when to do chores, etc? That's all part of being a parent.

I'm not disagreeing with those things because those things are real things. Those are things that happen in the real world with clear, obvious, boundaries and consequences.

Grounding your kid for not taking out the trash is very different from grounding your kid because they committed a thought-crime by pretending to suck a dick on a MUSH.

The former teaching them responsibility, the later is teaching them that you, not them, get to define how they think and who they are.

@Cobaltasaurus said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

@Ghost It's honestly only the known troll that is Carex.

I don't know why you guys keep saying I'm trolling. I'm making a serious point. There is nothing wrong with telling your kids not to give out their information online or meet with people from the internet but micro-managing their every action online is still bad parenting.

Telling your kids they should never do or say anything you might disapprove of because you might snoop on them and catch them is just terrible.

What should be a learning experience becomes something they need to be secretive about because what they think is acceptable might not be too you.

Setting clear boundaries about RL information is fine but telling them you are going to be watching them and judging them for what they do online is creepy and stalky.

You might think that your position as a parent is perfectly reasonable because the things you do not approve of are legitimately bad but here's the problem: Children can't read your mind.

You are putting them in a situation where they have to constantly guess "Will this get me in trouble? Am I allowed to talk about this? Will someone find out? Should I take that risk?"

By policing your child's internet activities you make yourself the bad-guy they have to be afraid of instead of the teacher they can come to with questions.
That's my point.

@Roz said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

You are drawing extensive assumptions that this is what happens in Buttercup's home.

If I'm wrong, Buttercup could speak up. I'm just going with the information available.