General Video Game Thread
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@Ganymede said in General Video Game Thread:
@Sparks said in General Video Game Thread:
I'm sorry, arguably? No. FF6 is factually and objectively the best.
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If they are going to be doing remakes on the apparent quality level of that FF7 remake they finally showed off at E3? Give me one of FF6.
I concur, and write separately.
The score for FF6 is an incredible achievement, with themes for every playable character. It is probably the best console game of all time, and probably my favorite one until The Last of Us. But it is the music that really sets it apart.
Yes!! We are in so much agreement here.
I am a lover of good leitmotif usage; I can go on for easily an hour about the usage of leitmotifs in the Star Wars franchise (as some of my friends would exasperatedly confirm), and half of that would be just across The Clone Wars and Rebels. (You could use the different variants of Ahsoka's theme—and the evolution of them over the course of both series—as a masterclass.)
No video game I've ever encountered that I can think of has come close to achieving what FF6 did with character themes/leitmotifs. There are some wonderful, notable video game soundtracks, no question. But what FF6 pulled off is in a class of its own.
Plus, the original arrangements are also a technical achievement. You listen to some of those songs and you go "how the freaking heck did they make that come out of an SNES?" I can't think of any other game of the era with music as compelling and impressive.
@Ganymede said in General Video Game Thread:
FF6 has already technically been re-mastered, and that version is available on tablets. It's well-worth the money.
Oh, I know. The PC port of the tablet remaster is kind of terrible, but the tablet version itself is great. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see FF6 redone on the level of that FF7 remake. A modern game engine, with that story? I would gladly play it.
@Ganymede said in General Video Game Thread:
But this is the epitome of the Final Fantasy series for me. I really like Final Fantasy VIII, which I think was beyond its time when it was released, but it can't compare.
I don't share people's hatred for FF8; I actually, in a lot of ways, liked it better than FF7. (Yes, I'm a heretic. But I'm honestly so, so tired of FF7. Can we stop going back to that well?)
But nothing else in the Final Fantasy franchise comes close to FF6 for me.
a.k.a. Packetdancer (or "Pax" for short)
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@Sparks said in General Video Game Thread:
(Yes, I'm a heretic. But I'm honestly so, so tired of FF7. Can we stop going back to that well?)
I honestly don't like FF7 or any of its spin-offs.
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I have bought all (I think) of the single player Final Fantasy games since 7 came out.
I have finished none of them.
They don't hold my interest for whatever reason.
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This seems to be a reoccurring theme with me recently, and I don't like it. Nothing is holding my interest for more than an hour or two when I used to be able to spend days on a game and play it to completion.
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I've been playing Tales of Vesperia since I bought it at a bargain bin on the weekend. Such a pretty world and challenging gameplay.
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@Sparks said in General Video Game Thread:
@Jennkryst said in General Video Game Thread:
Double Post, but the MEGA CONTROVERTIAL Pokémon announcement wounds me, and now I want that Pokémon MU to be a thing even more.
Woe.
While I am going to be very sad if I cannot bring my favorite buddies I have amassed over into Sword and Shield, I'm actually not surprised by this.
By, say, Sun and Moon, all they had to do was add models/animation/sprites/sound for the new Alolan Pokedex, because they already had all the 3D models/animations/sprites/sounds. Sword and Shield, they probably wanted to make higher detail models/animations, and I'm betting that redoing every single Pokémon from all previous generations would have quickly caused madness and weeping if they also tried to stay on deadline. Under that logic, I was sort of prepared to be a bit impressed if they had gotten all 807 National Pokedex entries redone.
And in fact, that's the justification given in interviews; they just didn't have the time to get through all of them, so the ones you can't transfer in are the ones where there just aren't assets in the game for those Pokemon, period; it allowed them to focus on the ones they knew had to be in the game. And based on the Alolan Pokedex (302 entries in Sun/Moon, 403 in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon), I fully expect us to get at least a sizeable chunk of the National Pokedex in the Galar Pokedex.
I'm disappointed, yes, but not surprised.
They'll probably be working on porting the rest over time. Maybe halfway through the new Generation lifespan, they'll have it all completed. A bit disappointing, but still hopeful.
Which reminds me I need to get back to the grind of building my Living Dex.
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@Runescryer said in General Video Game Thread:
@Sparks said in General Video Game Thread:
@Jennkryst said in General Video Game Thread:
Double Post, but the MEGA CONTROVERTIAL Pokémon announcement wounds me, and now I want that Pokémon MU to be a thing even more.
Woe.
While I am going to be very sad if I cannot bring my favorite buddies I have amassed over into Sword and Shield, I'm actually not surprised by this.
By, say, Sun and Moon, all they had to do was add models/animation/sprites/sound for the new Alolan Pokedex, because they already had all the 3D models/animations/sprites/sounds. Sword and Shield, they probably wanted to make higher detail models/animations, and I'm betting that redoing every single Pokémon from all previous generations would have quickly caused madness and weeping if they also tried to stay on deadline. Under that logic, I was sort of prepared to be a bit impressed if they had gotten all 807 National Pokedex entries redone.
And in fact, that's the justification given in interviews; they just didn't have the time to get through all of them, so the ones you can't transfer in are the ones where there just aren't assets in the game for those Pokemon, period; it allowed them to focus on the ones they knew had to be in the game. And based on the Alolan Pokedex (302 entries in Sun/Moon, 403 in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon), I fully expect us to get at least a sizeable chunk of the National Pokedex in the Galar Pokedex.
I'm disappointed, yes, but not surprised.
They'll probably be working on porting the rest over time. Maybe halfway through the new Generation lifespan, they'll have it all completed. A bit disappointing, but still hopeful.
Which reminds me I need to get back to the grind of building my Living Dex.
Don't give me hope. I need the RAGE to annoy people into finishing the Pokémon MU.
Edit to add: Apparently Twitter folks are going fucking nuts digging into the Pokemon code and pointing out wacky things like 'hey, if you guys didn't decrypt/encrypt every Pokemon every battle 100+ times, maybe you could have space for other stuff?' and 'WHY are there multiple copies of something that could just... be... one thing?' It's amazing.
The MU equivalent is you have a different Player login/DBRef to use, one in every room on the game, instead of just... having one that you can move from place to place.
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@Wretched Here's to hoping all the gamer-bros boycott CP2077 and don't get to enjoy it for the no doubt awesome game it will be.
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@Wretched I'd read the article, but work has sites like that blocked. What is the TL-DR for those of us that are interested, but don't have the ability to check out the article?
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@Admiral There was controversy about an in-game ad featuring a trans model, so now the character creation for CP2077 is under the microscope as to whether or not they'll allow trans characters, which signs currently point to yes/maybeYes
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@Ghost The guy who created the in-game ad said it was like that on purpose, as that sort of exploitation is part of the theme of the game.
It might have been his purpose or it might not, but I accept his explanation.
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@Admiral I do too, but mostly because i agree with said premise. If you are going to create a world like cyberpunk, one that is exploitative and cruel and the like, then things that are repugnant or distasteful or 'problematic' are going to be on display in the setting you have created, for the protagonist to either rally against or not. I would hate to live in a world where fictional stories cant be told because people become over sensitive and cant separate a story of a made up world with reality. Gimme some dystopian fiction with that extra grit and slime and skeeviness.
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@Wretched That being said, you also have people who like to revise and twist theme/setting. For example, the alt-right and historical settings as opposed to retro-futuristic.
So I think it's important for a game to have some 'edge' to it, but we need to be careful to not have edge for the sake of edge or worse, edge that alters the theme of the game itself.
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I am incredibly excited about the FF7 remake, despite all of the sour grapes FFVI fanboys and girls who come out of the woodwork every time a new thing related to FF7 comes along...something something opera...something something Kefka...you know, FF7 has musical themes for every playable character, too.
Anyway, as a huge fan for 20+ years I never thought this thing would actually become reality, and now I can't stop thinking about it. Makes me wish there was an active Final Fantasy mu* around...
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@egg If they keep the racist translation of Barret I'm out.
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@egg said in General Video Game Thread:
I am incredibly excited about the FF7 remake, despite all of the sour grapes FFVI fanboys and girls who come out of the woodwork every time a new thing related to FF7 comes along...something something opera...something something Kefka...you know, FF7 has musical themes for every playable character, too.
waves FF6 banner anyway, albeit sullenly
Look, I'm just saying we've had a pre-smartphone phone game, a PSP game, the original PS game, two movies, a PS2 game, a smartphone game, AND now a remake of the original game. I'm a little Shinra'd-out, and I'm feeling the urge for some Magitek.
(Also, FF6 has better music, no matter how much a whoooole bunch of people want to say that One-Winged Angel is the definitive FF song. Terra's Theme is better, fight me.)
a.k.a. Packetdancer (or "Pax" for short)
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No video game I've ever encountered that I can think of has come close to achieving what FF6 did with character themes/leitmotifs. There are some wonderful, notable video game soundtracks, no question. But what FF6 pulled off is in a class of its own.
Have you played any of Supergiant's games? Bastion, Transistor, Pyre? Their musical direction and use of mood and character themes, up to and including re-recording a song for characters undergoing trauma, has impressed me a great deal.
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@Atomic said in General Video Game Thread:
No video game I've ever encountered that I can think of has come close to achieving what FF6 did with character themes/leitmotifs. There are some wonderful, notable video game soundtracks, no question. But what FF6 pulled off is in a class of its own.
Have you played any of Supergiant's games? Bastion, Transistor, Pyre? Their musical direction and use of mood and character themes, up to and including re-recording a song for characters undergoing trauma, has impressed me a great deal.
That's true, Bastion is pretty damn close to that level, and Transistor moreso. I haven't played Pyre to judge.
a.k.a. Packetdancer (or "Pax" for short)
