Aug 23, 2019, 6:53 PM
@Ghost I'd happily dance on the graves of many people in history. I am okay with the title of Grave dancer.
Dead Celebrities 2019
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More importantly, can we get this discussion split out to a more appropriate thread? @Arkandel
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Peter Fonda. Ride easy.
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David Koch, about fucking time.
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Thought: Someone who donates millions of their dollars to charitable organizations, museums, etc. dies and the response is 'about fucking time' because you don't like their politics (which can you enumerate their politics) and that's ok.
But if I say something along the lines of 'Good riddance to Peter fonda, I can't believe he called someone a 'C' in twitter' we'll sign off on that right?
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@BobGoblin Yeah I want to dance on his gave. He wanted to end public schools, medicare, medicaid, social security, minimum wage, was a climate denier. And that's not just his beliefs, this is shit he actively funded.
It's not about his politics it's about the actions of him and his family over decades. Fuck the Koch brothers. Sure they gave away to 'philanthropy' but were also buying our politicians and helping destroy the planet. Death does not make people forget. He was like 4 captain planet villains at once. Don't fucking whitewash the damned Koch's
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So to clarify, you hate him because of his lack of 'humanity' so you shall express your hatred by ... showing a lack of humanity at his death. Logical.
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@BobGoblin Without delving into the politics of it, because that's a whole other board, the questions that determine whether or not philanthropy is enough for us to like someone are these three:
- How did he get that money?
- What else did he do with that money?
- Did the good in his life offset the harm?
For many, many people, the answer to number three, in particular, is a very firm no. This is not just about one bad act.
Edit: I firmly don't believe in death invalidating all the harm caused in someone's life, or this idea that we should respect the dead just because they are dead. Death is not a free pass to forgiveness, and glossing over the harm they caused empowers other people to make the same choices.
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@BobGoblin said in Dead Celebrities 2019:
So to clarify, you hate him because of his lack of 'humanity' so you shall express your hatred by ... showing a lack of humanity at his death. Logical.
While I am not a fan of Koch and look forward to a future without him personally affecting politics, BobG has a pretty solid Vulcan/Buddhist point, here. If you dance on the grave of "bad men", you are still a grave-dancer.
Again, not a fan of Koch at all, but philosophically who is worse? The man with the money or the corrupted politicians who got quid-pro-quo with him?
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
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What harm was caused by this man in his life? Funding politicians that support his political viewpoint is now causing harm?
@Ghost And that is my position as well. I could frankly give zero fucks about David Koch. What I do give a fuck about is people who would celebrate someone's death because they don't follow the same political path they do. That's pretty jacked up and indicative of the true societal problem.
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@BobGoblin Move this on over to the politics forum and I'll gladly engage with it there. Not in this thread.
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Unfortunately I avoid the politics forum because if I wanted to see rabid animals I'd go to the vet on rabies day.
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@BobGoblin Then stop trying to stir them up here.
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@Ghost I'd happily dance on the graves of many people in history. I am okay with the title of Grave dancer.
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@Wretched said in Dead Celebrities 2019:
@Ghost I'd happily dance on the graves of many people in history. I am okay with the title of Grave dancer.
And I ain't judging, either. This is a personal decision. BobG just raised a philosophical point I think is sound and the punk rock in me wanted to give a nod of solidarity.
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
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@Ghost
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." -Mark Twain
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I wanted this as a gif, but am too lazy to make my own. Anywho. Re, grave-dancing:
I will toss out there that everyone refusing to do the politic talks is a prime cause of our current shitstorm (which makes more people refuse to talk about it, causing more of a shitstorm... a self-sustaining loop!) To be further discussed behind closed doors, because there are zero adults left, I guess.
So also, I'd like to mention the death of political discourse (sometime waaay before 2019... in the MU community, it died when the first person were banned for doing a politic on pub chan, rather than the designated pol chan or whatever. But. It is what it is.)
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No one cared when the political foe of Munchkin Land kicked the bucket and they took to the streets with song and dance.
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Rick Loomis owner of Flying Buffalo, Inc.
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I remember Grimtooth's Traps. Man some of those things were just diabolical.
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Rick Loomis was a local here in the game scene. Probably going to be some board game bar gatherings in honor of him.
Sad news.