Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.

Derp

@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Lies require intent. If you say what you believe to be true, then you're not lying even if what you say is not true.

This is how normal people speak.

Lawyers are not normal people.

You are professionally trained to seek and destroy any flaws or weaknesses in your opponent.

This never ends pretty when there isn't a judge.

surreality

Seconding Derp here; lying involves intent. Being mistaken is much more likely and doesn't involve subterfuge.

Pandora

@Kanye-Qwest said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

i have a cold sore.

My sister swears by topical Lysene for the sore and vodka for the nerve pain.

Pandora

@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Then she didn’t say it. And if she says otherwise, that is false. And that is a lie.

A lie is not fraud. A lie is a lie.

This is how conversations between lawyers unfold.

Her: Are you saying I’m a liar?
Me: Yes.

Direct questions require direct answers.

Another fucking paper cut.

Triggered. My mother used to do this when I lived with her. She'd do something wrong, forget something, lose something, etc. and then instead of figuring it out, she'd blame me or my sister, screaming at the top of her lungs, getting in our faces asking if we're calling her a liar as if daring us to say yes so she'd have an excuse to resort to physical violence. It sucked, and I've inherited her rage which is one of my biggest real world disappointments/peeves. But at least I don't suffer from the urge to blame everyone for everything, so there's that!

Auspice

I don't think the 'lie' is the problem.

It's when someone refuses to admit it (as in Pandora's case...).

My ex husband would do that. He'd forget or misremember something and being corrected would set him into a rage. That's when it crosses from accidental or sans intent into a problem.

Sunny

Me and my actual brain damage that causes memory issues...

Yeah, I'll just be over here in my corner not intending to be a liar.

surreality

@Sunny ...can I bring my ADD along? 'cause... yeah. (If I had a nickel for every time I forget something... )

ETA: The irkiest part: some things I recall in dazzling clarity. The list of things I'm supposed to do today? Fuckall knows...

Sunny

@surreality

I have a lot of coping mechanisms. As it is, my close friends and family can literally see the scar on my forehead and STILL forget that this is an issue for me. It is so ugh.

Ganymede

@surreality said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Seconding Derp here; lying involves intent. Being mistaken is much more likely and doesn't involve subterfuge.

I get that. There's a part of me that remains normal. But see the above comment from Derp regarding lawyers.

I mean, maybe she did say something and I didn't hear it or remember it; then I'm the idiot. But if I don't hear or remember it, what purpose does it serve to admit to something that I know to be untrue from my perspective?

And, like a lawyer, my other is avoiding the obvious issue: namely that there's nothing fucking wrong with cheesecake. The other less-obvious issue: cupcakes are for children and not half-as-appropriate for an office party as cheesecake.

I guess my point, now that I'm not especially irate about it, is that if someone is doing you a favor it is far more polite to be grateful for the effort than critical of the result. And, in my mind, if you can afford to be polite to a third-person then it is inappropriate to be critical to a loved one. Otherwise, y'ain't gettin' no favors from me.

Thus why I don't do "favors" for anyone.

Derp

@Ganymede @surreality

Just to be fair and, you know, cite properly, I'm pretty sure it was @Tinuviel that said lying requires intent.

I said that lawyers are basically professional killbots that require a referee and a clear set of coded parameters to keep them from going across the table at one another on the best of days.

@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

namely that there's nothing fucking wrong with cheesecake. The other less-obvious issue: cupcakes are ~~for children and~~ not half-as-appropriate ~~for an office party~~ as cheesecake.

I maintain that cheesecake is the best dessert (possibly tied with hummingbird cake) and that disrespecting the cheesecake in favor of cupcakes is grounds for ~~divorce~~ murder, let's be real.

Ganymede

@Derp said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

I said that lawyers are basically professional killbots that require a referee and a clear set of coded parameters to keep them from going across the table at one another on the best of days.

While this is generally true, I don't enter killbot mode without being paid just compensation for it. This does not mean I do not get killbot-defensive when I believe someone is taking advantage of my good nature.

And yes I am good-natured, you punk-ass bitches.

Tinuviel

@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

And yes I am good-natured, you punk-ass bitches.

Well we've already established that you have the occasional lapse in understanding definitions...

Roz

Cheesecake is gross. Enjoy your LACK OF DOWNVOTES.

surreality

@Derp ...there are cheesecake cupcakes that are a joy and wonder to behold. More like mini single serving cheesecakes. Sometimes in little chocolate tart bowls, even. SO GOOD.

I maintain this is a better thing than either, with love (and pining for some of those because damn).