Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.

[Auspice]

@WildBaboons said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@Ghost It was meant as a good-natured ribbing, but text/tone, etc etc. I'll take the flag.

Unfortunately, I think he gets enough people who say those sorts of things in a serious/derogatory way that I can see how he might take it negatively. I thought it was meant as a jab/attack first, myself. Text does make it difficult!

[Ghost]

There are definitely ways to distinguish insults from joke-ribbing y'assholes

[Rinel]

Lawyers in Louisiana have to take 12.5 hours of continuing legal education each year.

My being myself, I went into yesterday with 8.5 hours left. 3 hours of online education later, I'm at a 5 hour CLE marathon today.

I've been livetweeting it, because the other alternative is some form of action that ends in -cide

[Ghost]

@Rinel YOUCANDOOOEEET.

I'm cramming for a test right now, too. If I get the cert I'll need x hours of training upkeep per year, too.

Please accept said telepathic offering of intense study and focus vibes NNNNNnnggg!

[Rinel]

@Ghost

Oh, I'm not focusing at all. This is awful.

This guy is currently arguing for complete automation of literally all pleadings. I'm deciding whether or not I want to ask questions if he asks for them.

[Ghost]

@Rinel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

This guy is currently arguing for complete automation of literally all pleadings.

...wut

[Rinel]

@Ghost

Yeah I called him out on it. "You mentioned bond reductions, which I can see working really well with the bail schedules which are common. But the jurisprudence is moving toward declaring those unconstitutional--how do you automate something that requires analysis of multiple factors?"

His response was something along the lines of "the program gives you multiple choice and provides text boxes for you to type your arguments in, and then inserts it into the motion for you."

Yeah, bud. Bet that leads to great and organic writing.

[Ghost]

@Rinel Isnt part of the whole point of asking for a plea (during court proceedings) to get an on-the-spot response from the defendant? You can automate what their wishes are or plan for the plea, but ultimately it's their response at the point of being asked that is both ceremonial and the final point of recorded statement for the plea?

Doesn't sound like a good target for automation

[Rinel]

@Ghost

Different things. Pleadings are a kind of document filed with the court.

[Rinel]

oh my god this one is a mindfulness seminar just let me go home

[Roz]

@Rinel

[Derp]

@Rinel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

oh my god this one is a mindfulness seminar just let me go home

Did law school teach you nothing about the consequences of procrastination? (I mean, yes, it teaches you to be super effective at it, but all the CLE in basically two days? Woof.)

That aside, some of these aren't terrible. I've used a couple of them in the past. It's not completely automated, most of the time. It's more like a templating system with various boilerplating and checkboxes that just switch some sections around when you need them to, and it actually does end up flowing kind of nicely. (As nicely as Old High Legalese can flow, anyway). The freeform text boxes still let you enter your pleadings up to the level of specificity that you need.

But it's probably less fun for lawyers since ya'll are control freaks like woah. It's glorious for your paralegals though.

[Rinel]

@Derp

Our paralegal doesn't do motion work. Only attorneys and law clerks do, and we do them all from scratch, with small and obvious exceptions like headers and closings/certificates of service. We've caught out the state on multiple issues because they were responding to typical discovery requests instead of what we had actually requested.

I very strongly disapprove of doing motions by rote, but also work in a discipline where motions are everything.

ETA:

@Derp said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

all the CLE in basically two days? Woof.

two thirds of the yearly CLEs in two days!

[WildBaboons]

oh crap, that reminds me I've got 6 CPEs to finish up tomorrow.

[Ganymede]

@Rinel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

two thirds of the yearly CLEs in two days!

I take roughly 24 CLEs per year.

I like them.

Plus, yeah, if I want to be a specialist --

[silverfox]

I've always been bunk about keeping track of my CEU's....

I should though. And I'm sure I'll remember this in four years when I need to relicense if we're still in the same state.

Fun loophole: If I move BEFORE my 5-year license expires to a state with reciprocity (though honestly, with my master's degree I shouldn't even need the reciprocity, I should be considered highly qualified anywhere in the US), I don't have to prove any continuing education units at all and thus the clock will reset.

[Rinel]

@Ganymede

They don't offer CLEs in my specialty, because nobody does it.

That's not, strictly speaking, true, but training on post-conviction and habeas happens every few years, not every few months--and I'm at the point now where I know everything that's in the materials from the ones I have access to.

ETA: I am thinking about involving myself in the ethics and discipline part of the bar, though, so if I go that route then there's plenty to learn.

[JinShei]

I had a nightmare that @Ganymede logged into my game to tell me my family house was too powerful.

[surreality]

I have been lucky. My only MU dreams I can recall have been either 'ooh good scene idea!' presumably inspired by whatever's going on on a given game, or...

...in the nightmare form, I am always coding. MUX coding, not wiki coding. (Sorry, Thenomain.)

(Wiki coding is a totally different set of nightmares.)

In the really horrible nightmare form, I am coding while a drama explodes and I have to mentally keep code and five or so people all having histrionic fits of flail at once that I have to mediate while everyone vaguebook snipes at each other in the peeves thread.

The above happened enough while asleep that I once had to erase 'fuck this, time to wake up' into a multi-page to the drama llamas before I hit enter, because it took a moment to remember, 'fuck, I'm awake :/' as it happened RL (sans peeve thread, iirc, but this was years ago).

[Ganymede]

@JinShei said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

I had a nightmare that @Ganymede logged into my game to tell me my family house was too powerful.

I was contemplating joining Arx in the new year.

You may want to check with Dr. Venkman regarding your precognitive powers.