A bit of trouble on Firefly
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Ah, yes. It is the exact same player who harassed me. Thanks @bear_necessities.
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He's basically this:
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I feel left out since he never showed up on SGM.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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I would say that he is mostly harmless, just annoying to game runners..
To the players he harasses though he can be more detrimental. At least one MU player I'm aware of has/had a RL restraining order against him. Another probably would have if they were in the same country. Just be careful folks.
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He has stalked the RL-facing social media of game runners on at least one occasion after he was banned from the game, IIRC. (Along with, of course, his targets of harassment.)
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@Auspice said in A bit of trouble on Firefly:
I feel left out since he never showed up on SGM.
I’m sure it’s just a matter of time.
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Just call this guy's bluff and make a thread on MSB about him!
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On the Savage Skies he's Aksel & Parrish. He used pretty much the same character description as he did for Erland on Gray Harbour.
Here's the kind of manipulative BS he pulled with me:
<RP Requests> Sophia (@Kestrel) says, "Hi everyone.
If anyone's in the mood for some RP I'm in a flexible mood today."
<RP Requests> Sophia (@Kestrel) nudges three prospective alts onto the table.
<RP Requests> Aksel if you give me a few to wake up..<PM> (to Aksel) Rosa (Romeo) says, "Hey. I wasn't sure how to approach this the other day but truthfully I wasn't comfortable with the last scene I had with you and don't think we would mesh. Your character seems very macho/aggressive and sexually forward. I'm not really into that and would prefer to avoid in future."
<PM> (to Rosa) Aksel blinks slowly, "Um, Okay. I will go ahead and leave you alone and avoid any scenes that you have signed up for in that case. My apologies for Aksel trying to be playful back with Pippin and the like after the joke that had been made. Or will find another game so you are comfortable.
<RP Requests> Bilbo says, "Aragorn and I have a slow-moving open infirmary scene if anyone's interested. Bilbo just brought coffee for everyone who got banged up."
<RP Requests> Aksel says, "Never mind Sophia."
<RP Requests> Bilbo says, "All are welcome, Aksel. :)"
<RP Requests> Aksel says, "Apparently not."
<RP Requests> Sam says, "wha...? What did I miss?"
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "I must have missed something! Anyway, I'm going to change all y'all's bandages, so if you have owies, bring your ass."
<RP Requests> Frodo raps his knuckles on an edge and then holds hand out to Boromir. :3
<RP Requests> Aragorn says, "I think I missed something too? o_O Boromir, come stop me from escaping. >_>"
<RP Requests> Boromir straps
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "Frodo can come sit his spider on your head."
<RP Requests> Aragorn O_____O
<RP Requests> Aksel would come to rp but has been informed that his character is essentially just a muscle bound asshole who makes people feel uncomfortable and that my rp style is just shit. So...
<RP Requests> Merry says, "... whu?"
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "??"
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "Whoa whoa whoa."
<RP Requests> Merry says, "Wow."
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "Well, whoever told him that is probably the actual asshole, so."
<RP Requests> Bilbo says, "Well. That got awkward. Ahem."
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "Be less asshole folks, gawh. Awkward."
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "ANYWAY, anyone else is welcome."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "How about we don't assign the term 'asshole' to anyone without knowing who they are or what happened at all?"
<RP Requests> Sam says, "Whoever told him that, nice going, he logged. That was completely no bueno."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "I think that's the best way to handle it."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "Instead of starting to flame someone randomly based on some dramatic comments."
<RP Requests> Sam says, "it was still no bueno"
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "So it calling people assholes without even knowing who you're talking about."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "So."
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "Sorry, I just expect a little better from people in general."
<RP Requests> Boromir says, "My bad."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "You have no idea what happened though so you don't know what 'better' would entail."
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "Let's not assume. That's all I'm saying."
<RP Requests> Sam says, "From what he told me, he got a page--didn't say from who--denigrating his character, his RP style, and generally being very unpleasant."
<RP Requests> Sophia (@Kestrel) says, "Umm. I didn't want this public but OK? I told that person I was uncomfortable with sexual innuendo in a scene I had with him and don't wish to RP with him. I felt I was pretty polite, but firm in saying it. I also did it privately, not publicly, and didn't really want drama over it. But for the curious, that's what happened, and if anyone wishes to avoid me because I'm comfortable setting personal boundaries, that's OK too."<PM> (to Rosa) Parrish says, "Rosa, You based the entire view of a character and of me as a player off a single interaction and that alts response to a joke YOU and another player had made. That is how it read on my end with your choice of words."
<RP Requests> Merry won't avoid RPing with anyone.
<RP Requests> Frodo says, "Let's at the very LEAST take this off the RP Requests channel, please."
<RP Requests> Sam says, "won't avoid RP'ing with you. But hopefully this can be resolved between both sides involved. You're all really awesome people and I hate seeing things like this happen."<Chat> Sam says, "Okay, so. drags it down to the chat channel"
<Chat> Merry just hides under an umbrella.
<Chat> Rosa (@Kestrel) says, "It is resolved on my end."
<Chat> Bilbo says, "All is well, and all is well, and all manner of thing shall be well.
Let's all enjoy our Saturday. Who's doing fun stuff?"
<Chat> Frodo nosetaps, points at Bilbo.
<Chat> Parrish's debating on leaving the game if that counts as stuff.I've edited every name in this log except for Parrish, Aksel, me and my alts. To clarify there are no characters called Bilbo/Frodo/Sam/Merry/Pippin/Aragorn/Boromir on this game. (Or if there are, they weren't in this log.)
I don't hold any of them accountable for taking his side because I know they were coming from a good place of protective instinct without being aware of the context for Aksel's protestations. But I'm sharing this because two of the people who drew my attention to this thread and made me realise this was the same person indicated he's highly manipulative, so here's at least one instance of him responding to polite, private rejection with public drama to try and paint himself as the victim and the person rejecting him as the aggressor.
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@Kestrel Can verify he pulled a similar stunt when banned elsewhere, trying to garner sympathy in Discord groups.
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@scar ...one of snails?
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@Kanye-Qwest a whimsical OG dr dolittle reference, surely, and not at all a random word generator
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I know I was one of those people in the log. I am sorry I sided with him before knowing the full story. I think I was the one who said that I wouldn't avoid anyone where RP goes, but, in hindsight, that was awful of me if that was me and I apologize profusely for that. You were fully in your right to ask that RP be avoided because of how discomforted he made you feel and I should have held my textual tongue.
"Just leave me alone. I'm not myself. I'm falling apart, and I don't want you here." - ― Daniel Keyes, Flowers for Algernon
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@TiredEwok For what it's worth, this guy is really good at what he does. Don't blame yourself. He got me twice, on two different games. I used to think I had good troll radar, too.
http://keys.aresmush.com -- Come to Chincoteague, we have ponies.
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@WildBaboons said in A bit of trouble on Firefly:
I would say that he is mostly harmless, just annoying to game runners..
To the players he harasses though he can be more detrimental. At least one MU player I'm aware of has/had a RL restraining order against him. Another probably would have if they were in the same country. Just be careful folks.
Fucking yikes
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He is most certainly on TSS.
@krmbm and @bear_necessities -- could you two maybe PM me about what happened with him on GH? I'd like to probably take some precautions as we have had reports about him, and have been trying to navigate what is the line between "innocent behavior being perceived badly" and actual concerning behavior.
Based on this post, I believe we might be dealing with someone who should be politely shown out before escalation.
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@GirlCalledBlu it sounds like you have some trash to take out
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@TiredEwok said in A bit of trouble on Firefly:
I know I was one of those people in the log. I am sorry I sided with him before knowing the full story. I think I was the one who said that I wouldn't avoid anyone where RP goes, but, in hindsight, that was awful of me if that was me and I apologize profusely for that. You were fully in your right to ask that RP because of how discomforted he made you feel and I should have held my textual tongue.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. And like I said (and partly why I edited the names) I don't hold you or anyone else in that log accountable for the kneejerk protective instinct, I'm just grossed out by the guy who manipulated that reaction. But it means a lot that you would apologise and does make me feel a lot more at ease about the community there because I was kind of worried about being a pariah after this. (Which I wasn't even trying to do to him until the penny dropped when someone pointed me at this thread.)
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@Taika said in A bit of trouble on Firefly:
@krmbm No, he makes logins named jizzum and 'c-word' and the like. Usually logs on and right off, but sometimes lurks to make noise. Uses vpn's so I can't really whack-a-mole. Been at it for the better part of a year now. Very. Special.
That sucks.
I'm sorry. It's probably not the same troll. Honestly, this one isn't actually "getting around things" the way he wants to pretend he is.
@GirlCalledBlu - He didn't really do anything on GH itself till after we banned him. His concept was just stupid and when @bear_necessities called him out on it, he got all hostile, so we just decided that he needed to not play here. That's when the trolling started. But here's his pseudo-creepy PMs he sent me here:
Z ZombieKerouac
So I understand you are having an issue?krmbm krmbm
I am?Z ZombieKerouac
With a player who is upset with you and so not being the nicest of people.krmbm krmbm
Oh. shrug It happens. Just a pest. We're coping.Z ZombieKerouac
Unfortunately Lynn can only do so much.But if you want I can help with the issue.
And coping? You've had to lock down guest access and make it so every roster character requires a application.
So how is that coping?
krmbm krmbm
Yeah, but it's not a big deal. The bugs are fixable in Ares, and it's only temporary.Z ZombieKerouac
They aren't bugs and you know it.There are ways even if these /bugs/ are fixed that a person can still bypass the block and ban.
And still claim your rostered characters or force it to where guest logins need to be disabled.
The question becomes, Which is the easier path past this. letting faraday sort through bugs that aren't really bugs.. And then seeing that the issue remains.. Or trying to fix it through other means.
krmbm krmbm
I think we're okay for now. The bugs (Faraday's words, not mine) will get patched. In almost a year... this is the first time we're run into something like this. Worst case scenario, I can ban the person at the server.So thanks for your willingness to assist, but we've got it.
Z ZombieKerouac
Sure you can.Except you can't because I know the work arounds Karma.
krmbm krmbm
Awesome. Take care.Z ZombieKerouac
I will leave the game alone. If you and bear sit down and actually talk like adults.Honestly, Had you two done that last night rather than simply throwing away the blacklist and banning me. I wouldn't have near the issues I do with you and your game.
After all.. A year is a long time to wait for a fix. Having a ten minute discussion maybe twenty? Far less time and far less trouble.
Z ZombieKerouac
And all your rostered characters are mine again, And back as a guest -le gasp- -
@GirlCalledBlu He was banned from Arx back in 2017 for harassment and stalking. They might be willing to speak to his overall MO.
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OK. Thank you, @krmbm -- I think @Seraphim73 and I are going to be having a frank discussion and probably followed by precautious. Um, could you also PM me about what went wonk with your siteban on GH? Just so we don't have duplicated issues.
