Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.

[RightMeow]

@Ganymede

Call me.

[Tinuviel]

@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

It's not my fault desperate times call for desperate choices.

Hey, that's basically the only reason I ever get an...
I've said too much.

[Ganymede]

@RightMeow said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Call me.

[mietze]

A mentor and friend of mine passed away a little earlier than expected last night (she had just entered home hospice care (thank god she got to leave the hospital) and was planning some goodbye calls in the next few days, including with me tonight) after a real knock down drag out fight with cancer that came back.

Between that, the continued severe depression I am doing my best to try and keep to a functional level, and a couple of demoralizing things online that shouldn't be that big of a deal but are hitting me hard because...well it's just fucking 2020 I'm going to maybe try to cut down on online time for a couple of days. Not fit company for anyone and nobody needs to see that.

[GreenFlashlight]

@mietze I know how you feel. This is a very trying week and it's only Monday. Take all the time you need to get your spoons back.

[boneghazi]

July/Aug/Sept have been some of the three most terrible months in a while.

My health problems finally got seen to and was unexpectedly diagnosed with diabetes on top of all the PCOS complications I was having. Started new medications that has made my whole body violently react. My aunt died. I learned that two of my friends from years prior died in a vicious motorcycle accident. I had a bout of Covid. Rolling power outages. I lost my favorite RP partner due to OOC dramabullshit and him not being able to cope with any of this.

Even though I lost a friend and an aunt IRL I think I miss him the most.

[TheOnceler]

Tomorrow's gonna suuuuuuUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuck.

[Tinuviel]

@TheOnceler said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Tomorrow's gonna suuuuuuUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuck.

Said every day.

[JinShei]

@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@TheOnceler said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Tomorrow's gonna suuuuuuUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuck.

Said every day.

2020, man

[Ganymede]

@JinShei said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

2020, man

Ironically, this year Hugh Downs passed away.

“Your day is going to suck, and this is 2020.”

[Arkandel]

I don't mind some aspects of the cancel culture. I do dislike this immense effort to preemptively not possibly do anything that can be taken as offensive, though, regardless of intent.

Case in point was a potential plot for a new Star Trek movie (... for some reason that's on my newsfeed a lot lately) where a virus was killing large parts of the galactic population, which was nixed due to Covid-19.

We can't make movies about pandemics now? Would someone think they were too pro-virus?

[Coin]

@Arkandel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

I don't mind some aspects of the cancel culture. I do dislike this immense effort to preemptively not possibly do anything that can be taken as offensive, though, regardless of intent.

Case in point was a potential plot for a new Star Trek movie (... for some reason that's on my newsfeed a lot lately) where a virus was killing large parts of the galactic population, which was nixed due to Covid-19.

We can't make movies about pandemics now? Would someone think they were too pro-virus?

This has nothing to do with cancel culture at all, IMO.

It probably has less to do with that and more to do with not wanting to grind people down with a plot about something they are actually going through at the moment.

I didn't want to see a movie about someone losing their loved one to cancer when I lost my grampa to cancer, for example; many MUs don't include COVID-19 in their modern, contemporary settings because escapism is about escaping reality.

[Ganymede]

@Coin said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

This has nothing to do with cancel culture at all, IMO.

I concur.

Were I a movie executive I would also nix plots related to people of color being brutalized by law enforcement and the endless, unsatisfying struggle to find justice.

So I watch She-Ra,The Witcher, Lucifer, and anything else but that.

[Roz]

@Coin said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@Arkandel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

I don't mind some aspects of the cancel culture. I do dislike this immense effort to preemptively not possibly do anything that can be taken as offensive, though, regardless of intent.

Case in point was a potential plot for a new Star Trek movie (... for some reason that's on my newsfeed a lot lately) where a virus was killing large parts of the galactic population, which was nixed due to Covid-19.

We can't make movies about pandemics now? Would someone think they were too pro-virus?

This has nothing to do with cancel culture at all, IMO.

It probably has less to do with that and more to do with not wanting to grind people down with a plot about something they are actually going through at the moment.

I didn't want to see a movie about someone losing their loved one to cancer when I lost my grampa to cancer, for example; many MUs don't include COVID-19 in their modern, contemporary settings because escapism is about escaping reality.

Yeah, I think this is pure business. "People aren't gonna wanna watch a movie about a pandemic during the midst of COVID-19, so let's do something else, because what we are doing is making a movie to sell and make money."

Pandemic stories aren't cancelled. They're just not good business right now. Or people are predicting they aren't, at least.

[Ifrit]

@Roz said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Yeah, I think this is pure business. "People aren't gonna wanna watch a movie about a pandemic during the midst of COVID-19, so let's do something else, because what we are doing is making a movie to sell and make money."

This is actually one of my biggest problems with this idea of 'cancel culture'. Really, as far as I can tell, it's just capitalism in operation. If I don't like an author, I don't buy their books. If enough people do that, they become unprofitable. If a movie's themes don't interest me, or I have moral issues with some part of it, I don't go and see it. If a studio thinks that a certain theme won't make enough money, they just won't make the film.

No one's getting cancelled, they're just not making money.

[tek]

Well, this is officially the creepiest thing a man has ever said to me on the internet. (context: contaminated mushroom jars. the creepy thing is the thumb thing)

[insomniac7809]

@Ifrit said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

This is actually one of my biggest problems with this idea of 'cancel culture'. Really, as far as I can tell, it's just capitalism in operation. If I don't like an author, I don't buy their books. If enough people do that, they become unprofitable

(Well, that's technically market economics, which isn't the same thing as capitalism, but that's a whole different can of worms...)

So there is a tendency I've seen in some online spaces, where the ability of the public to reach quasi-public figures over social media or other online spaces can be an issue. Especially when claims can be manufactured or faked easily (it is really simple to make a fake tweet), and when the outrage can spread from someone who did a thing, to people in some way affiliated with someone who did a thing, to people associated with people affiliated with someone who did a thing.

I do see a difference between "I am not going to buy the thing," and from there "I am going to not buy the thing and encourage people to also not buy the thing," with people brigading someone's mentions because they're Kevin Bacon-associated with someone who did a thing or because they heard an unsourced claim that their target did something wrong. This is the sort of "cancel culture" I can see as a problem, and not one I know how to work at fixing.

I don't see "cancel culture" as related to the Star Trek thing, though. Big properties tend to avoid bringing in plot elements that seem to hit too close to a sensitive spot.

In 2001, for instance, the Twin Towers were edited out of everything from Raimi's first Spider-Man film to the Sex & the City intro, the entire finale of Lilo & Stitch was reanimated to swap out the 747 for a space alien ship, and the Simpsons New York episode was pulled from reruns for a decade. The whole subgenre of Emmerich-style ID4-wannabe "buildings go boom" action films was retired until '05 War of the Worlds (where the presentation was, ah, different) and didn't really make a comeback until 2009 with 2012.

Some sensitivity to what audiences will, en masse, be comfortable with and what constitutes "too soon" us as you say, just business sense.

[Coin]

@Ifrit said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

@Roz said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:

Yeah, I think this is pure business. "People aren't gonna wanna watch a movie about a pandemic during the midst of COVID-19, so let's do something else, because what we are doing is making a movie to sell and make money."

This is actually one of my biggest problems with this idea of 'cancel culture'. Really, as far as I can tell, it's just capitalism in operation. If I don't like an author, I don't buy their books. If enough people do that, they become unprofitable. If a movie's themes don't interest me, or I have moral issues with some part of it, I don't go and see it. If a studio thinks that a certain theme won't make enough money, they just won't make the film.

No one's getting cancelled, they're just not making money.

Yes, inasmuch as we use the word "canceled" in its most literal and traditional sense. But when it comes to the cultural phenomenon that is cancel culture, the word "cancel" obviously takes on the connotation and definition of "banding together to stop supporting someone, be it with attention, money, or any other currency we control".

I mean, that's just how language works.

[GangOfDolls]

Contrapoints has a really excellent breakdown on cancel culture after being cancelled herself. It's long so you may need to watch it in doses but I think it's really worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8

[SixRegrets]

'Cancel culture' is nothing more than the right's latest replacement for 'political correctness'. If you act like an asshole, you should expect consequences. Contra's bigoted bullshit re: transmedicalism and being best buddies with Buck Angel are more than reason enough for the rest of the transgender community to 'cancel' her.