Feet Voting
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When an administrator of a MUSH comes on here and says 'please page me on-game with your complaints, and we can work something out', the consensus is overwhelmingly 'Work it out here, in the open where we can all see it'.
When someone is banned from a game over complaints of staff action, we do not condone that sort of fuckery here. In fact, it is generally condemned.
We provide logs when able, to shed light and provide transparency on what happened, so that people can judge whether they believe something is justified, or whether they think it is bullshit.
In light of events that all fly in the face of the spirit of the Soapbox, I'm out for the foreseeable future, unless this somehow gets me banned. I tried to take care to avoid the specifically off-limit things, but who can say for sure?
Ping me on Discord if you get something Mummy up and running, that'd be sweet.
Until next time.
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Votes with her feet by kicking the door back in , EXTRA HARD... no, you don't get to know what size those feet are, fuck off
So I am in chaos goblin mode, in part because I'm arguing circles around folks about bodily autonomy on the Twitters over the abortion thing, which is part of what kicked things off here. Current Events thread was locked, and then Politics and Hog Pit to boot. So now you all get to see the scary real world events happening here! Abortion ban! Rawr!
Not that... there was anything actively discussed in Politics aside from the Current Events thread, but gotta shut down all avenues of dissent, amIright?
So we've got hidden threads and entirely deleted threads that are pointing out the authoritarian bonaza going on here. Farfalla getting banned for nothing. Nearly twenty people banned for defending Farfalla. Refusal to post logs, which is KIND OF THE WHOLE DEAL HERE. You post logs, and let people decide.
If this a court and Gany is the Judge whose decrees must be followed, then hiding threads is suppression of evidence in a trial you should rightly recuse yourself from, and deleting threads is destruction of evidence. Which... I am not a lawyer, but those both seem kind of bad. Unethical, maybe. Could even be illegal. Who can be sure? The unemotional robot seems to be on the fritz, can't ask her.
... incidentally, if this is a court room, there is also Derp the Building Maintenance/Janitor, acting like a Bailiff by closing threads when it has been stated multiple times he is only supposed to be doing code support. Weird, that.
So when admin on a mush does these sorts of things, people come to the Soapbox (the press/town square) and let the evidence out HERE, where all can see, even after trying to be shut down.
We've got logs of Gany comparing people banned terrorists. Someone else threw up a lynch mob comparison. Screenshots grabbed from before Gany locked everything down and tried to hide them away. Also at least one screenshot of Gany insisting that 'no, actually, a lot of people have not complained to me about this' when people are standing in the square, being ignored.
The reason we do not DM concerns, is the same reason we do not page complaints to staff. If you shut down the public complaints, then you can lie about how many people have been complaining, and try to brush everything under the rug.
Again. If any game had an administration that did this, the Soapbox would rally against them. We are an anti-authoritarian, pro-transparency kind of people. And continuing to delete threads, lest others see you joining in on that sort of fuckery, is pretty disgusting.
For these reasons and more, I join the chorus: ban me, you coward.
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I love that Jennkryst got banned for speaking factual things.
This place has become the model for a GOP-run America. No dissension. If you do have an alternative point of view of what Mother or Father think, you should keep it in private, because if other people were to dare to see it, they might become corrupted.
I don't even know what to say anymore. Ya'll took what was a Good Thing (moving the forum into another site and making it work), then poured gasoline all over yourselves and self-immolated.
Whatever, maybe all the bans can be reversed once we earn enough XP on that one game to buy our MSB posting privs back, or maybe there are some people here who aren't just burning bridges, they are nuking them from orbit.
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She literally asked me to ban her; I literally asked everyone to stop talking about the issues until I can confer with mietze.
Mietze has asked for time to deal with her own things before she comes back to deal with issues here.
I accept the responsibility for what has happened, and there will be a summation of what has happened and what will happen, I promise.
If everyone would give mietze the courtesy of giving her (and by extension me as well) the time to work through this, I'm sure she'd appreciate it.
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@ganymede Accepting responsibility would be stepping down from your position. You fucked this.
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@enoch said in Feet Voting:
@ganymede Accepting responsibility would be stepping down from your position. You fucked this.
I haven't seen anyone clamoring for Gany to step down. More or less just a lot of 'I'm really angry you did this and keep doing it'. And people saying that their trust needs to be earned back. The only one I've heard about asking Gany to step down is Gany.
Both sides are reacting on pretty high emotions. Friends upset about friends being hurt, both sides, and it is causing everyone to get even more upset and chaining it. One person gets upset about their friend then another does, etc.
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@icanbeyourmuse There's been several.
Overall, people can ask to be banned. Someone did it 2-3 weeks ago. I don't see why anyone thinks that request would be denied.
Personally, I'd just reset my password to some machine generated thing, then toss the record.
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Honestly, this whole thing feels like an 'In order to save the village, we had to destroy it.' situation. It's a shame really. Time will tell if it can heal.
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@tnp WIth the amount of feels that have been expressed, I find it hard to believe any amount of trust would be able to be retained. It is very difficult to come to a place like this where you want to be able to express yourself when you have to worry about whether what you say gets you isolated from the people you came to commune with.
So I get that part.
This has never really been a "safe place" in terms of not having really harsh negative things said to you if people disagree. But it has generally been a place where you've been free to express yourself, even if all that comes from it is that people tell you how dumb you are. I don't know any situation where people will be able to feel that again. But I sure hope that someone smarter than me will be able to find that way in moving forward.
But in terms of voting with feet... would there be anywhere else to go? Or are people stuck with here or nowhere?
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@warma-sheen People could easily set up their own forums. I know two people have in the past. And there are definitely Discord servers up where MSB and its topics are being discussed. All you need is an invite.
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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Where does one get one of these invites?
