Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.
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For those in the back.....
@aria said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
patriarchy is toxic and bad for everyone.
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@greenflashlight Everything @Aria said. And yes. Which is sad, since they are no less virile for having a vasectomy. The procedure changes neither sperm count nor motility. It just temporarily keeps you from having an accidental baby that could, I don't know, cost their SO their health, or worse, their life. Or could prevent a woman that is raped from also having to undergo the trauma of then finding out she is pregnant and having to decide what to do with the baby (and the insane amount of mental/emotional trauma that will accompany ANY of the choices she may have). Or could almost entirely erase preteen/teen pregnancy.
And it would have a cascading effect, too! Less unwanted pregnancies = less children being run through 'the system' = more attention and funding able to be given to those that are in 'the system' = ability to be more discerning in who is allowed to foster/adopt as regulations and requirements are able to be more strictly enforced... and it keeps going. Fewer children overall means less people needing welfare to care for their 5 kids. Means fewer kids in school/childcare so THOSE regulations are able to be more strictly enforced AND teachers are now able to give more attention to the kids in class. Fewer mouths to feed = lower likelihood of defaulting on bills of any kind. Millions of women no longer feeling like they have to put their education on hold so they can raise a child, or like they have to sacrifice large chunks of their life so they can try to do both at the same time.
It goes on and on and on.
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I blame religion.
And with that, shoo off to the political section.
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I'm all for free and mandatory vasectomies at the age of 15. Once you prove you can raise a child, you can have it undone.
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Guys. Guys. I really super hate to be the party pooper here, especially as the resident "angry feminist" who thinks vasectomies should be far more common place, that men should take ownership of their own birth control as well women, that pregnancy shouldn't be a "consequence" that happens to "sluts", etc. etc., but....
This is how you end up with state-backed eugenics programs.
And no, I don't just mean in countries we don't like. I mean, like..... Indian Health Services were still sterilizing women who came in for regular services in 1976. That may seem like a long time ago, but for context? That was the year my parents met. The state of Oregon was still enforcing sterilization as part of 'social protection' in 1983. Think that seems like a long time ago? Several of us were born that year, or right around there. The state of Washington still has mandatory sterilization laws on the books.
And that does not include horror stories coming out of ICE detention centers as recently as last year or the pretty horrific "Ashley Treatment" being conducted on a disabled girl in 2007 that included a hysterectomy and fusing her growth plates together so she'd be easier to take care of and the 2010 debate within the medical community of whether or not they should do that to more disabled people.
While I understand that y'all are definitely trying to come from a good place, at the very least this should be moved to the Politics board if you're going to keep talking about it, but more than that, I'd strongly suggest giving some reconsideration to supporting government enforced medical procedures complete with fitness tests for 'the improvement of society' and what that sounds like.
Like, for real for real. It ain't shiny and good, lovelies.
https://whatiswrongwith.me/Mia
There were never any good old days. They are today. They are tomorrow. It's a stupid thing we say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow. -- Gogol Bordello -
@aria Thanks for saying it. I didn't want to, but you're right.
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I don’t think anyone was being very serious about this being an actual goal. Besides, the issue was held unconstitutional long ago.
Forcing someone to jump through hoops to get a safe procedure is stupid.
Get or don’t get vasectomies or tube-tying, I don’t care. I care when someone thinks it’s okay to second-guess that choice. But, yes, there have been lawsuits where someone argued that allowing a patient to get one of these procedures was malpractice.
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@ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I don’t think anyone was being very serious about this being an actual goal.
Recognized and agreed, but it feels like the kind of joke that only gets made by people who believe they would never be subject to it. I don't know how Aria feels, but that can get under my skin.
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@greenflashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I don’t think anyone was being very serious about this being an actual goal.
Recognized and agreed, but it feels like the kind of joke that only gets made by people who believe they would never be subject to it. I don't know how Aria feels, but that can get under my skin.
I'm not, like, offended or anything. Not even close. I totally get where that mindset comes from and occasionally mutter things not entirely dissimilar under my breath as vehement reactions to things (usually sexual violence and/or child abuse).
More of a "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey guys, maybe let's not say things accidentally in support of policies enacted by actual literal Nazis and I don't mean that in the Godwin's law kinda way."
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I find the irony of this discussion coming up in response to my fearing that bigots will find my gay autistic self unfit to own a pet to be very bitter.
Eugenics is alive. I actually know someone who was force sterilized, and she's young enough that she could still be reproductive today if they hadn't done that.
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Regarding the stupid, arcane chicanery of bankruptcy courts:
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Regarding the stupid, arcane chicanery of bankruptcy courts:
I don't even envy you.
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There’s no ‘Bad TV’ thread so I’ll just share this here and offer an empathic HBO can go fly a kite.
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Two months ago I was experimentally put on a low dose of medicine for hypothyroidism, to see if it would affect extreme fatigue.
It did. My hormone values didn't change much, but I felt better. Then my GP retired.
New GP took me back off it, with the usual song and dance that fatigue is in the mind, and also, you're overweight. I feel like crawling into a corner and just lying there. I spent almost two years practically only leaving the sofa to crawl to bed and back again. I was finally able to walk a bit, maybe do a few things. Able to shower and have a conversation in the same day.
Back to square one. Lose weight while unable to do anything even remotely resembling exercise. Because my country thinks fibromyalgia and CFE aren't real.
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I just don’t understand this.
Some of my favorite “masculine” shows and movies were helmed or directed by women.
The Witcher. The Punisher. Bumblebee.
Women aren’t just on the rise; their shit is damn good.
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@l-b-heuschkel I had a doctor tell me that fibro isn't real too... and then I switched PCPs, and that new one flipped shit when I told him that.
Yeah. I refuse to put up with doctor's shit, anymore.
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@macha said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Yeah. I refuse to put up with doctor's shit, anymore.
There was a time I went in to an OBGYN about a (small, temporary) issue that was causing me severe pain, he (because of course it was a he) told me he wasn't going to do anything to treat it until it got exponentially worse, and then calmly informed me not to worry because I could still have sex (which I hadn't asked him).
Because clearly, clearly the fact that I was in severe pain was of no concern, as long as I was still bangable.
Every time I've let a medical professional bully me, I've ended up worse off than I was before. My patience for doctors and their stupid bullshit is non-existent and I have reached the point that I say exactly what I think, right to their face, and make no apologies for it. If they don't like it, I don't really care.
https://whatiswrongwith.me/Mia
There were never any good old days. They are today. They are tomorrow. It's a stupid thing we say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow. -- Gogol Bordello -
@aria But, if your partner can still get off, you're fine -- right?
http://keys.aresmush.com -- Come to Chincoteague, we have ponies.
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@l-b-heuschkel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@aria But, if your partner can still get off, you're fine -- right?
Oh, yeah. I mean, let's be honest. I could suffer massive brain damage, lose a leg, and have half my skin peel off and we're totally good as long as @insomniac7809 can still bang one out before breakfast.
(In truth, bless my husband and his sweet little heart. After I told him what happened, he took one look at that OBGYN walking past and called out "Hey! What the fuck is wrong with you?!" in front of everyone in the waiting room. Much
<3. I picked a good one.)https://whatiswrongwith.me/Mia
There were never any good old days. They are today. They are tomorrow. It's a stupid thing we say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow. -- Gogol Bordello -
@aria Good catch. On the partner. As for the OB/GYN, some people should never be let out of medical school, not to mention, the cave they were born in.
