Good or New Movies Review

JinShei

I want more of the old guard. I want it to be a TV series that starts now, from the film,

Arkandel

Not quite a new movie review, but just based on rumors that Jennifer Lawrence will be part of the next Star Trek movie.

On its own that's fine. But my problem with bug budget Star Trek is that it's not really... Star Trek. You don't blow $150 million on a movie then base it on characters reasoning their way out of situations or finding complex diplomatic solutions to problems - which is arguably when the franchise is at its best.

In that case you need phaser fights for the big names to pew-pew their way out, which... is not inherently bad, but I feel it's moving further from its core identity.

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Coin

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Yes.

Let Star Trek be something that doesn't conform to your expectations.

Sheesh.

Ganymede

@Coin

sad cat

Wizz

@Coin said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Yes.

Let Star Trek be something that doesn't conform to your expectations.

Sheesh.

In other words, "lower your expectations."

Trek is this big, loud, nihilistic, generic sci-fi franchise now just like everything else, because that's marketable to the broadest demographic, and that's what's most important to the studio at the mo'.

Like, I'm not even a diehard Trekkie and I'm still disappointed to see the direction they've taken it. It deliberately looks, sounds, and feels like everything else out there now and that's lame.

Coin

@Wizz said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Coin said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Yes.

Let Star Trek be something that doesn't conform to your expectations.

Sheesh.

In other words, "lower your expectations."

Oh, for fuck's sake, give it a rest.

And don't put fucking words in my mouth, you don't know me that fucking well.

Wizz

@Coin

I wasn't speaking for you, I was playing off your words.

But as for giving it a rest, nah. I'm as free to express my distaste as you are to disagree, and jumping down my throat about it is just fuckin' rude. Chillax, my dude.

Coin

@Wizz said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Coin

I wasn't speaking for you, I was playing off your words.

But as for giving it a rest, nah. I'm as free to express my distaste as you are to disagree, and jumping down my throat about it is just fuckin' rude. Chillax, my dude.

Because implying people who don't need things to conform to their expectations are just lowering them isn't rude at all.

I just find it annoying how people are unable to broaden the narrative possibilities for a franchise/fictional universe; it's always "omg they're ruining iiiiiiit". Every single time. It's tiresome and old.

GreenFlashlight

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Not precisely. The contention here isn't age, it's either that you think you have a greater right to dictate what Star Trek is than the people who own it have, or that you think Star Trek can only be one limited thing.

I'm not judging, though. I haven't liked a Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Coin

@GreenFlashlight said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Not precisely. The contention here isn't age, it's either that you think you have a greater right to dictate what Star Trek is than the people who own it have, or that you think Star Trek can only be one limited thing.

I'm not judging, though. I haven't liked a Star Trek movie since First Contact.

Pretty much.

I didn't even watch Voyager or Enterprise. I didn't care for them and that was fine. I got a lot of my speculative sci-fi fixes from Stargate during that time.

Wizz

@Coin said in Good or New Movies Review:

I just find it annoying how people are unable to broaden the narrative possibilities for a franchise/fictional universe;

They're not broadening the possibilities, though. That would imply a larger framework that included the original spirit of the franchise while branching out, but the entire reason people get upset about the latest films/series is that the studios have abandoned that spirit entirely to "explore" ground that has already been covered -- and frankly, covered way better -- by other franchises.

Waving that off as tired fanboy whining isn't fair, and I say that as a fervent fan of other big, loud, nihilistic sci-fi properties. I appreciated what made Trek unique and I don't see it anymore.

ZombieGenesis

I don't think Trek has felt like Trek in a very long time. I enjoyed the new movies but more as general sci-fi than as Star Trek movies. I found no enjoyment in Discovery or Picard, unfortunately.

That said, unless it's another movie in a franchise done by the same creative team, I don't like to judge things that are coming but what has happened in the past. I'm just excited something is happening I guess.

Wretched

Lower Decks is LOVELY. But you know it is comedy.

Auspice

it really is terrible how studios keep doing things that make money so they can keep making more movies i mean god they should just go full french art house ugh

SixRegrets

I've enjoyed all Trek except for TOS stuff and the first season of Enterprise. shrug

Modern Trek is certainly different, but TOS and even a lot of TNG wouldn't pass muster among the same demographics that it targeted back then.

Arkandel

@GreenFlashlight said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:

Should I be yelling at the damn kids to get off my lawn?

Not precisely. The contention here isn't age, it's either that you think you have a greater right to dictate what Star Trek is than the people who own it have, or that you think Star Trek can only be one limited thing.

I think I'm entitled to have preferences while aware they don't constitute rights, no?

In a nutshell there are so many franchises and properties out there which are based on big action pieces. I liked (sometimes loved) Trek because it occasionally - not always - strayed from that formula and gave us ethical, educated, optimistic thinkers as its protagonists, and problems that were solved by deliberation and reason rather than out-phasering the enemy.

I'd still like to be catered to. Believe me, I'm quite aware why I won't be, at least in the movies (in fact that's the whole point of my post) but do I need to like it?

Lotherio

@SixRegrets said in Good or New Movies Review:

I've enjoyed all Trek except for TOS stuff and the first season of Enterprise

shockfaced gif - my guitar gently weeps. But I agree, Scott Bakula was better in Quantum Leap.

Wizz

@Auspice said in Good or New Movies Review:

it really is terrible how studios keep doing things that make money so they can keep making more movies i mean god they should just go full french art house ugh

I mean wouldn't a French art house Trek be kind of amazing tho

Lotherio

@Wizz said in Good or New Movies Review:

I mean wouldn't a French art house Trek be kind of amazing tho

I think David Lynch did this in like the 90s, are we talking about original Twin Peaks at this point?

Arkandel

@Wizz said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Auspice said in Good or New Movies Review:

it really is terrible how studios keep doing things that make money so they can keep making more movies i mean god they should just go full french art house ugh

I mean wouldn't a French art house Trek be kind of amazing tho

You know Tarantino planned to do a Star Trek movie? But it's apparently not happening any more.