@surreality said in I owe a lot of people some apologies.:
@thenomain It is not about that, though.
It was when the thread turned, though. It went from your apology to talking about why your apology.
The apology was well-received and I think you're going in the right direction, but it was an answer to Derp's question, about how the Soapbox community is responding.
And so it's not buried: I think you're going in the right direction.
All the best,
- Thenomain
No dogs in the fight, but: Thank you, @surreality something like this isn't easy, and it takes a lot to step up like this.
I just want to know who the puppet master is, the one in the shadows playing people off against each other and twirling his (or her) moustache.
Can someone please explain what this thread is about in somewhat clear terms?
@arkandel My intentions are exactly as described on the tin.
If someone else wants to make another about related issues, uh, have at, I guess? I have no say in that, and neither encourage nor discourage it.
@arkandel There was a reasonable and seemingly well-intentioned apology made. Folks appear to have deduced the source of the initial misinformation that caused the behaviour that is being apologised for and have expressed their displeasure.
ETA: ELI5: Person got told things. Person did bad. Person said sorry. Other people found out who told person wrong things. Other people hate wrong-thing-teller now.
He/Him
@tinuviel said in I owe a lot of people some apologies.:
Folks appear to have deduced the source of the initial misinformation that caused the behaviour that is being apologised for and have expressed their displeasure.
ETA: ELI5: Person got told things. Person did bad. Person said sorry. Other people found out who told person wrong things. Other people hate wrong-thing-teller now.
Emphasis mine. I trust you can see why I might be confused if that's the level of clarity here, right? 
But let me read my PMs.
@arkandel I can! I've no horse in this lasagne, just doing my best to translate the verbosity.
@surreality, you know I'm a big fan and cheerleader of yours but yeah, I had wondered if something odd was going on for a while. I didn't suspect that you had a nasty little birdy in your ear. As someone who often trucks with nasty little ear birds*, I get it. You are doing the right thing by owning up and apologizing. It's not easy. Being so, so wrong on a large scale is enough to make anyone sick.
I get nauseous after most negative interactions (No matter how minor) with people on the internet but I'm a nervous wuss.
Anyway, you still got my pom-poms.
***About that asterisk up there...***
Just chiming in since I actually got mentioned in this whole fiasco:
The idea that I've ever been 'plotting' against either @surreality or @Auspice on HM is pretty funny. My activity level there is minimal, and my investment is mostly for @Jealousy's sake, and I'll pop on to do scenes when she nudges me. It's no knock on the game, but my excitement/investment level in it just isn't high enough to warrant cloaks and daggers. My interactions with @surreality, as far as I can recall, boil down to 1 perfectly normal IC scene and one conversation in the OOC room about Penn Dutch furniture. Go figure. She may not be my favorite person in the world, but MSB interactions are always more toxic than even online face to face ones and I don't wish her any deep ill or spend my days acting against her. I happily welcome anyone to supply evidence of my 'plotting,' because it would be news to me!
Obviously, I do discuss other players (candidly) with @Jealousy off the game, but shockingly, she's her own person and has her own opinions (and some other people on here who know her will attest to how fucking stubbornly she holds her own mind on things). In fact, while I've always told her I think @Auspice (on HM) has been passive aggressive, cliquish, and a bit of a twink, she has largely defended her to me because the two of them became friends while playing on the game. For instance she always though the headstaffer on HM favored @surreality unfairly, which is supported by the discord conversation @Auspice herself linked a while back.
Anyway, it's no secret I've long held that she's a bad mod and a laughable choice. Her very first moderation on this board caused a huge ruckus (and reeked of abuse of power) and I've never doubted that she's that kind of person. While I'm not going to join any 'boycott' like @Cobaltasaurus, I think the reaction to this thread should be very telling to @Arkandel.
Well this thread started one way and has gone in a different direction. It should get moved to the hogpit if people are gonna start dragging folks in here.
@rucket Feel free to start one if so inclined and you don't want to wait.
Oh fucking well.
@surreality said in I owe a lot of people some apologies.:
@rucket Feel free to start one if so inclined and you don't want to wait.
Im not dragging anyone. But there are posts in this thread which are outside "mildly constructive".
I kinda don't know what to say, other than, uhm. Wow? I did not expect this reaction.
It is very humbling, and I hope I can do better going forward in a way that will not make the folks who have extended their understanding here regret it.
Thank you all. Wordy wench is kinda at a loss for words right about now, beyond that. Thank you.
You're good people. Good on you for apologizing for where you felt you went wrong.
There are people out there that are aware that some people want to avoid drama, and will use that as a means to control the playing field gossip-wise. Good on you for acknowledging that you got played, but the bigger sin's on the person who did the playing. Don't lose sight of that.
I have personal experiences to add to this conversation, but will abstain from detail and simply say that the behavior mentioned in this thread is real and has been happening for years.
Be good to each other. All y'all.
This thread is weird as fuck, you guys.
This was just...a weird way to do everything you all just did.
Like, that's all I'm saying, no horse in this race, etc. Etc.
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@wizz said in I owe a lot of people some apologies.:
This was just...a weird way to do everything you all just did.
I spent the day at work away from MU stuff and talked with my SO after work. I've done a cursory glance-- folks are right in that I probably shouldn't have said what I did originally in my post since this is the constructive area (I apologize, I didn't even really realize this was in constructive, but I also probably would have still said it). I've not edited the post so everyone can see how shamefully dramatic I am.
No apology needed. Except from @bored for not being more interested/motivated because he's awesome when he can/does play.
@surreality said in I owe a lot of people some apologies.:
@thenomain It is not about that, though.
It was when the thread turned, though. It went from your apology to talking about why your apology.
The apology was well-received and I think you're going in the right direction, but it was an answer to Derp's question, about how the Soapbox community is responding.
And so it's not buried: I think you're going in the right direction.
All the best,
- Thenomain
