Game of Thrones
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@Arkandel said in Game of Thrones:
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Hmmmm...
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Oh, it was an excellent scene. But are you sure that's the right logic?
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Actually overall I liked it. Also some text goes here?
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@ZombieGenesis said in Game of Thrones:
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click to showNo strong opinion on your/Sparks' interpretations; it's anyone's best guess and I think they're all valid and interesting. But ...
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What astounds me is the widespread idea online that just because this season was disappointing to 'many fans' it will somehow harm the producers' career.
For starters the viewership was extremely high. You don't lose your job, or a potential job, because of criticism; you lose them because you didn't make money. Downvotes are unimportant compared to dollars as a metric.
For another everyone whines online. It's non-stop, no matter what's put out there someone will complain, demolish and hate it. It's basically required for all of those people to either not be on social media or to ignore it else they will go crazy. And if people will complain no matter what it's impossible to tell if they are right or wrong.
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I just feel as others have mentioned before me, like i was watching a very pretty and well designed... cliffs notes version of the last 2 seasons. Costuming on point, beautiful imagery, some strong impactful scenes and glorious twists...
...that utterly ignored the established pacing of the series that it had set from the beginning.
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@ZombieGenesis The only thing about that is...
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@surreality ***=I think Martin said the special circumstances regarding fire was an one time thing - after all we've read about...***
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@Roz That outfit. So awesome.
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@Seraphim73 The writing might have faltered, but damn. All the other departments sure did NOT flag. It's still a fucking beautifully produced show, right to the very end.
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So, one more thing that occurred to me in the aftermath of last night's episode...
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Yes, but you also just showcased how absolutely stupid that particular plot point was.
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@Sparks That's even without diving into the fact that ...
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@Kestrel said in Game of Thrones:
@Sparks That's even without diving into the fact that ...
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click to showETA: yikes, I spent too long submerged in those books.
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Decent insights tbh. I appreciate them.
I plan to reread the books now that the show is done and forget it ever happened.
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@Sparks It might even be fair to say the Doom of Valyria might be a fairly well known event in Westeros whose exact nature we - the readers/viewers - are simply not privy because it was never revealed to us.
But 300 years or so is nothing for such a major event 's cause to already have passed into legend, especially to Maesters and the like. Plus the Targaryen royalty would have certainly had it extensively documented since it's such a vital part of their past.
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I was pretty harsh about the show, but since last week, I think I've changed my opinion a little.
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@Arkandel — I mean, we know what happened, we just don't know why. We know everything in roughly a five-hundred-mile square area exploded all at once and the Fourteen Flames started barfing molten rock and dragonglass a thousand feet into the sky, accompanied by lakes turning to acid and earthquakes so severe they literally shattered the Valyrian peninsula into a collection of islands.
As for why no one knows what the heck caused it, I see a couple of possibilities.
Maybe it just was a natural disaster like the Yellowstone supervolcano erupting. No real cause at all to be found, no deeper story. Given the setting we're dealing with—and that Valyria was a place of open magic and long-lost secrets—this actually seems unlikely. Still, possible!
Maybe there were no long-term survivors; I believe all the main surviving Valyrian houses—House Targaryen, House Velaryon, and House Celtigar—fled before the Doom, after prophetic dreams of warning. I know the Targaryens at least got out of dodge about a decade before things literally exploded. We know that the loss of the population was so complete that many Valyrian talents (like the secret of making Valyrian steel) were lost in the Doom. If no one who was left in Valyria at the time of the Doom survived and the survivors had fled enough in advance, there may just not have been anyone left who genuinely knew what happened, and so we only have guesses and supposition to go on.
Possibility three is that if it wasn't natural—maybe one of the theories about the Valyrians doing something Really Ill-Advised and causing the Doom is right—and if the surviving Valyrian houses had an idea of what happened, maybe they concealed that truth because what was being done in Valyria was so bad that if people knew the facts retribution would rain down on the heads of all surviving Valyrians. Maybe the theory the Faith espouses is actually right, and the Valyrians literally were conducting rituals to reach down into the seven hells for power! At any rate, if this is true, then the surviving houses having concealed the truth even from their own descendants, the story is now long lost.
Those are the main possible reasons I see for the general uncertainty about what the heck happened.