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Auspice

I'm not sure I've ever tried the Vision Elite, to be honest. I found the Precise V5 and loved it so much I just kept buying it.

However, for school purposes, I've been heavily using the Hi-Tec-C Coleto multipens as of late.

Auspice

More potential good news jobwise...

I'm still applying out to places because my job will, even once this promotion goes in, never pay me what I'm worth. Remotely. And it's always good to try to improve one's place, right?

Anyhow. Call today on a resume I'd sent out.

Lady: "This is a difficult question, but we want to make sure we aren't wasting your time and that this would be an acceptable step up. How much do you currently make?'

What I heard was 'How much do you want to make?'

So the number I gave was... not wildly higher than what I am making (I've been conservative, but in line with regional averages), but still a fair chunk higher.

Lady: "Okay! Good, this is definitely over that."

WELL THEN. HIRE ME NOW PLZ.

Roz

@auspice FOR THE RECORD, what you currently make is not the business of anyone but you and your employer. What you're looking to make is already the acceptable answer for that.

(I'm glad your mishearing worked out in your favor.)

Auspice

@roz said in RL things I love:

@auspice FOR THE RECORD, what you currently make is not the business of anyone but you and your employer. What you're looking to make is already the acceptable answer for that.

(I'm glad your mishearing worked out in your favor.)

Oh yeah. If I'd heard clearly I would've just gone 'I'm looking to make at least...'
But in this case I thought that's what she was asking to begin with!

I am totally fine answering what I want to make. Not so much what I do make.

SG

@roz said in RL things I love:

@auspice FOR THE RECORD, what you currently make is not the business of anyone but you and your employer. What you're looking to make is already the acceptable answer for that.

(I'm glad your mishearing worked out in your favor.)

I'd argue coworkers should know what their coworkers make, especially in fields where pay is negotiated.

Tinuviel

@sg I'd argue that ballpark figures are fine, but exact amounts are oddly personal. I don't, logically, know why. It just feels that way.

Auspice

@sg said in RL things I love:

@roz said in RL things I love:

@auspice FOR THE RECORD, what you currently make is not the business of anyone but you and your employer. What you're looking to make is already the acceptable answer for that.

(I'm glad your mishearing worked out in your favor.)

I'd argue coworkers should know what their coworkers make, especially in fields where pay is negotiated.

My (current) company actually pays flat rates. So when opportunities on new projects are announced, they list what the pay rate is. This means you can reasonably guess how much someone is making.

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@sg said in RL things I love:

I'd argue coworkers should know what their coworkers make, especially in fields where pay is negotiated.

I have to agree. When I was much, much younger I moved from one State to another. I transferred within the company I worked. I can't recall the exact amounts so they're just examples...

When I transferred my pay was set at $16.50 an hour. Moving from a rural area to metropolitan, the pay wasn't really enough for anyone with any sort of bills to get on solo. Rent alone to be near to work was something like 45-50% of my income. Whatever, I've been in worse positions.

After being there for about 8 months or so, the conversation of pay came up between myself and coworkers. Mostly because one person mentioned how much they made, more of a slip than anything. Then when I expressed some measure of: Excuse me, wtf?, others began volunteering how much they made. Many of them were making upward of $25-28 on the hour. Doing the exact same job, same amount of time on a weekly basis, same everything.

Well, maybe they worked their way up to that point? I can certainly understand that and I'm perfectly fine with putting in time and effort to work toward raises. That's fair. That's reasonable. That's logical.

But that wasn't the case. Many of them had started out at a couple $$ shy of where they were at that time. They had got raises to reach that point, but not by much. Every one of them to the last was astonished how much I was being paid because at that rate I was making substantially lower than any of them when they had first started out - and by that point I had been with the company for a couple years, so I wasn't some new hire or something. The general consensus was that the only difference between any of us? Was that I wasn't a local. I was from out of town.

The next day following that little conversation I went right to HR and we had it out. They tried to intimidate me by informing me that "discussing pay among coworkers is a cause for termination". Fuck you. Don't try to play me like that because I will stab your ass with a stapler, kidnap your dog, and send ransom photos from Tijuana with @Royal. In the end they bent because I think they realized that I could cause a lot more problems for them legally. They gave me a bump of a few dollars and tried to imply that it must have been a clerical error. After that everything was peachy until I transferred out again a bit later.

So yes, I absolutely do believe you should know what your coworkers make. Even if it's what @Tinuviel said and was more ballpark. "Everyone makes $23-26 on the hour" or something. Otherwise it leaves far too much space for corporate douchebags to fuck over someone trying to put in their time and make a living simply because they aren't acclimated to the local norms.

Arkandel

@auspice The usual interview axiom is that the first party to mention a number loses.

I think that's pretty accurate. The interviewer wants to never 'overpay' you by offering a figure higher than the minimum you'd have accepted, and you never want to mention a number lower than the maximum they're willing to pay.

The moment either party drops a figure that game is over.

WildBaboons

I saw a blurb somewhere recently that some state (California maybe?) was going to make it required for job posting to include a pay range

Arkandel

@wildbaboons There was a new law being passed in California (or so Slashdot claimed last week) to prevent interviewers from asking what you were making at your old job.

Roz

@arkandel Yeah, this is becoming illegal in a few places, and a lot of places have stuff in the works. I know MA and NYC have passed stuff making it illegal, although I don't recall if it's fully rolled out either of those places.

FOR THE RECORD, I fully support colleagues sharing their salaries as they wish to help smash wage gaps!!

Ganymede

@sg said in RL things I love:

I'd argue coworkers should know what their coworkers make, especially in fields where pay is negotiated.

I'd argue that this as well, and in general.

Conventional MBA wisdom says that you should not discuss pay. This is because you don't want co-workers to be jealous of one another. However, this is also how corporations get away with disparate pay rates.

Conventional M.Sc. in Economics wisdom says that you should always discuss pay. This is because all labor should be making the same wages in order to properly apportion costs. However, if you do this, you cannot cut costs by providing minorities or women lower pay rates, thus giving greater profits to higher-ups.

See how this shit goes?

People need to talk about their pay rates because it is absolutely unfair that Sally does the same work as, but receives less pay than, Sam.

WildBaboons

@arkandel It wasn't that.. it may have been on opinion piece in reaction to that calling for it though. "A next step should be" sort of thing

Ganymede

My life, summed up right here.

Tempest

Who the fuck says "photo copy machine".

Ganymede

@tempest said in RL things I love:

Who the fuck says "photo copy machine".

Who the fuck doesn't know what one is?

Auspice

@tempest said in RL things I love:

Who the fuck says "photo copy machine".

Lawyers who know how important it is to be hyper specific.

Ganymede

@auspice said in RL things I love:

Lawyers who know how important it is to be hyper specific.

In truth, doing this in a courtroom would lose the jury real fast.

Ghost

Today, as a corporate event, my company is hosting a showing of: STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE

My Indian buddy, Anil, has never seen Star Wars.

He's excited.

I'm excited.

This might end up better than the time I assisted him in his first LASER TAG experience.

ADDITION: Because WHAT DO YOU DO when two coworkers from India (who have only been in America two years) walk up to you at a corporate event at an entertainment complex (bowling, laser tag, billiards) and are damn near giggling and chittery with excitement, saying: "We want to do the laser tag! We saw it on HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER" but dont know how to do it! Can you do it with us?"