@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
"Okay, dude wants to play X, ban his ass because obviously he's a Y."
Where does this happen?
https://globalnews.ca/news/7120933/family-guy-cleveland-voice-actor-steps-down/
Ask yourself why someone who has voiced a character for 20 years decides to step down, for the reason he stated.
And as I stated upstream, I've witnessed it once already.
Well first of all, I've never been okay with Cleveland's voice actor being white. I've never been okay with any POC's voice actor being white for pretty much the entire time I've even known that was a thing that happens, which I'd say is roughly half my life.
Second, as Sao said, it's entirely different. We're MUing, we're not in an industry with limited slots to fill, we're not broadcasting representation of a race to hundreds of millions of people. If someone makes a bunch of questionable jokes as a black character in a game and I know for fucking sure they're white and feel like they're out of line, I can and will say something. Otherwise I don't give a fuck what they do.
If someone is white playing a black character written by largely white people in a huge network television show:
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there's a black voice actor not getting work for functionally no reason (so much for "hire the best person for the job, not their race" bullshit I always hear)
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if they play a character that functionally serves as a vessel for a bunch of shitty race jokes, there's pretty much no accountability and no one listening when anyone says "hey uh that's shitty", given that it took about twenty years for the guy to go "oh right maybe I should not".
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In this case in particular, it's literally like a fucking minstrel show of white people entertaining themselves and making a bunch of dated jokes entirely unchecked by anyone, purely because it's a cartoon.
Tyler Perry is literally fucking black and I'm not okay with the dumbass shit and backward cultural politics he broadcasts and presents to the world with his black oriented media, so why in the hell would I be okay with white people doing it?
Ultimately a simple understanding of context and why people get mad at things to begin with would go a long way. Pointing at things and going "see, this is a bad thing and supports my straw argument" while simultaneously trying to hold onto a particular narrative about certain issues while people are going "yeah so uh you're literally making a straw argument", really won't get anywhere.
To me it's usually a red flag when people apparently have the perspective of "I don't understand why everything is racist now, we better be careful don't know when the SJWs will pop out and cancel us", when ultimately nothing is suddenly racist now, that shit's always been racist, people have been calling the same shit out for decades. The only difference now is that more people other than white people actually have a voice that gets listened to more and more. The shifting of the status quo is purely because people are being listened to, the only perspectives that have actually change are the white people who have gone "hey maybe we should actually listen to those people who keep yelling at us to stop being shitty about things". Otherwise, POC have been saying the same shit forever, people just didn't care to listen to them.
In my honest to god opinion, I feel like most people who are afraid of getting "cancelled" or have these horror stories of unfairly being mistreated because "I didn't even do anything I was just playing a POC character normally", usually did do something, never bothered to actually figure out what they did wrong, so it just fed into the narrative that there's an SJW witch hunt to come after people for "no reason".
You know, if intent and actions actually lined up even 50% of the time the world would be great, but just because you have the intent to not do something shitty doesn't mean that what you did wasn't shitty. And yeah I won't deny that there are people like Cirno who will do and say some dumb shit regarding race in order to manipulate people, but people like that are in such a fucking minority (lol), that almost every time I've heard someone be like "I don't know why they banned me I was doing just fine", someone shows me some fucked up log of what actually happened and I'm like "yeah that seems about right".
Like, so far I keep hearing all of these anecdotes about how the SJW staff came at the poor innocent people playing a POC, but I haven't seen a single receipt, log of the character being played, MU* name, or hell even a goddamned app to let people take a look at anything. It's just people saying shit in the midst of making what sounds a hell of a lot like a bad faith argument. In general I'm not questioning anyone who seems to be making their argument in good faith, but when people come making straw arguments and acting like there's packs of roving nonbinary bandits coming after them if they even remotely step out of line, I'm going to go "okay so where's the receipts".
Like dude, if this argument is even remotely in good faith, please go read Plato's Five Dialogues or something before approaching a topic with your glass so full that it's running over way too much to retain or listen to anything beyond this straw reality of raving SJW lunatics I keep seeing people coming in here worried about. Like dude just take a break from Twitter then, no one here is a teenager who learned social politics from Tumblr memes and cancelling people with BTS fancams.
Okay I admit I did post idol gifs on WORA but no one is allowed to come at me for that.
Edit: also I'm nauseous because I drank an entire bottle of Chris Jericho's fake champaign.
