@Sunny said:
@Jaunt said:
I liked a lot of what you had to say. I think it's important to note that there is constructive feedback and feedback that is not constructive. Blahblah blah blah blah blah.
You're still completely missing the point. Try reading for comprehension rather than reading to support preexisting biases. Nobody actually called you a racist, they used a racial analogy for what you're doing in the hopes that making it so completely clear that you would HAVE to understand the point. Oops.
If you don't want to be called stupid/an idiot, don't act it. People here aren't going to pull punches because your little feefees could get hurt. The nice thing about this place is that there's no need for me to treat you like a child; the assumption is that you're a grownup, and that when you act like an asshole, you understand that somebody calling you out on it isn't name calling to name call, they're just drawing attention to your behavior.
You're an idiot because you're not reading for comprehension, missing (purposefully or not) everyone else's point, and continuing to make a spectacle of yourself.
NONE of the things that have been flung your way are about your site catering to a specific niche.
AGAIN. None of your reception or the problem people have with you is that OR has a limited scope. None. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. So to blame your reception here on that is a complete cop out.
One more time.
Your reception here has nothing to do with OR being focused on a niche.
Idiot.
What a ridiculous sum of self-contradictions.
"We aren't calling you racist (obviously), we're using racism as a metaphor to show you how wrong you are in being more exclusive on your site than we want you to be. Also, we don't care how exclusive you are on your site, even though I just said that we did and that's why we used retarded analogies."
"Hey asshole, your offensive language towards me makes you look like an asshole, you fucking asshole."
The douchebaggery here began before I joined the thread. It began before Crayon joined the thread. You need only to read the first few pages of this ridiculously long thread to see the beginnings of shitposting aimed at Jeshin, who has been nothing but nice to folks posting here. Your acting like a bitch certainly predates anything I've posted.
The idea that someone on this thread could hurt my feelings is a little ticklish to me. Does it seem like my feelings are hurt? Or does it seem like every one of my responses is just a mirror of the tone used against me?
The idea that offering constructive feedback is the equivalent to "pulling punches" is even more ticklish to me.
I could continue to engage you in shit-flinging to amuse myself, since you continue to refuse a change in tactics (perhaps you're just doing it for your own amusement too), but your entertainment value to me is offering only diminishing returns at this point.
@ThugHeaven said:
Sometimes you just gotta take the L.
I feel like you've been one of the most thoughtful posters over the last several pages, and I generally agree with most of what you have to say. However, I'm not here looking for a win. I'm here ironically. Now, if someone actually cools their engines and tries to talk to me like a rational human being about OR, I'll be happy to do so. I've done so several times in this thread.
Other than that, WTFE has the right of it: I'm here to counter-troll trolls, until it's not worth it to me anymore. If folks here lack the self-awareness to critically read the patterns in my posting and the tone of other posters, or just don't care (because of silly 'us' vs 'them' internet bias), that's on them.
@TNP said:
@Jaunt said:
But, non-constructive feedback is calling us racists, elitists, bigots, idiots, and whatever else just because our site caters to a specific niche. It's inane. I've been happy to explain our position, and politely so, when I'm not approached with vitriol.
Funny how not a single person has done that. Any insults you've received - over the top or not - has not been because of your site but because of how you portray yourselves here. Your site has prompted debate. Your site's posters have prompted flame wars.
It's an important distinction and one you obviously fail to grasp.
How shocking.
If you were to go back and blindly read this thread from beginning to now, without bias, you will most certainly see that the aggression towards Jeshin and OR began before myself or Crayon joined in and "offended people". You will also see some of those insults tied directly to OR's inclusion policies. I've nothing against you, but you're incorrect on this point.
@Derp said:
@Jaunt said:
We've received both levels of criticism on this thread. The former will be responded to kindly and thoughtfully. The later will be responded to with the same level of ironic vitriol that it deserves.
No, it's not. The fact that you think this is precisely the reason I hope that the far more reasonable @Jeshin cuts you the hell off from posting here. You're making him, and his site, look absolutely terrible.
Do you not understand what the difference is, here? The difference is that you came here. If someone from this site were to go to yours and behave as you've behaved here, we would absolutely respond to them here just as we've responded to you. We didn't go to your site and demand that you change. YOU came HERE to advertise your site, then refused (all three of you) to participate in any sort of actual discussion (meaning give-and-take on ideas, not simple acknowledgement of their existence), which is precisely what this forum is for.
If you don't understand -that-, then you are even more deluded than I thought you were. I didn't have a horse in this race, at all, until you came along starting in with your bullshit. Get a clue -- this is our community, that is theirs, and if you want to advertise -here-, you need to engage the players here on what they want to see and discuss. And yes, DISCUSS. Compromise if necessary.
If you're unwilling to do that, then I have to agree with the others -- go the hell away and stop making Jeshin look bad, because right now you are here in an official capacity for your site, and you're acting like a miserable twat.
No, you wouldn't be, actually. We would actually attempt to moderate the discussion to create some sort of meaningful dialogue. We're also very accepting of other sites and communities on OR, even if they don't match up with our core demographic and content. You assume how we would react, but you assume incorrectly.
As far as discussion goes, I've answered every question and feedback posed to me about OR since I've come here. Those posed to me reasonably have received reasonable replies. Those posed with vitriol have received replies too, just in a mirroring tone.
It seems to be a bit of "can dish it out, but can't take it" syndrome to me.
I'm happy to discuss OR, though, without getting personal. What do you want to talk about?
ETA:
Conversation moved too quickly for me. I'm glad that Crayon was able to effectively clarify some things for a few folks.
Like we've said, "Yeah, the language on the site isn't as clear as it should be. We agree with you. We're going to change it. We're not trying to represent all MUDs/MUSHes, but rather a specific genre that's lacked a central hub. Even games (or Kickstarters, or Communities)outside of that genre are welcome to advertise on our forum --- just like here."
I get the idea that this site is a "pool of sharks and everyone gets bitten". I don't think it makes for the most productive conversations, but it can certainly be entertaining.
