Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition

TNP

@hedgehog said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

@hedgehog Philip was House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, actually.

I've identified coins from that German State. German State coins are a pain.

Rinel

@hedgehog said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

@Rinel

If we're going to be super pedantic, he's a Battenberg. He's Mountbatten, she's Windsor, and their male children have the hyphenate Mountbatten-Windsor. Not sure what Anne got as her surname.

But really they're both Gothe-Saxe-Coburg or some shit.

look if you're gonna move into a lady's really nice house and get all her fancy stuff you can take her last name

I don't make the rules

(I do make the rules)

super pedantically, are there actually rules? My understanding was that though they belong to houses, the royals do not have surnames.

Tinuviel

@rinel said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

are there actually rules

Yes, there are. Lots of them.

When a royal needs to use a surname, they don't generally use their house, they use the name of their title. Prince Charles uses Wales, as did his sons prior to gaining their own titles, for instance.

Aria

@tinuviel said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

@rinel said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

are there actually rules

Yes, there are. Lots of them.

When a royal needs to use a surname, they don't generally use their house, they use the name of their title. Prince Charles uses Wales, as did his sons prior to gaining their own titles, for instance.

It's actually even more complicated than that!

In 1917, the family adopted the surname "Windsor" by the order of then-King George V. Sometime in the early 1950s, the Queen amended that order to Mountbatten-Windsor to reflect Prince Phillip's family name, but it only applies to her descendants. However, that's a surname that he adopted from his mother in the 1940s after WWII because, y'know, for some reason the Brits were feeling super salty about the Germans and didn't really want a royal consort running around named Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, as @hedgehog mentioned.

However, @Tinuviel is also correct in that several royals use surnames derived from their father's title on institutional paperwork. Like he said, both of Charles' sons used Wales as a derivative of their father's title of Prince of Wales and George, William's son, uses George Cambridge at school, because his father is the Duke of Cambridge. Whether or not that would change when Lizzie passes and everyone moves up a rank in the succession, I don't know....

Because there are, in fact, a lot of rules. But when you're the royal family, you also just get to make those rules up because fuck it, you can. And that's basically the same thing as not having any rules at all, @Rinel.

In short, everyone is technically correct. Which as we know, is the best kind of correct.

Tinuviel

@aria said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

Whether or not that would change when Lizzie passes and everyone moves up a rank in the succession, I don't know....

It probably would, assuming Charles follows precedent and his heir becomes the Prince of Wales. That said he'd also still be the Duke of Cambridge, so it's possible that George would use it as a courtesy title.

Aria

@tinuviel said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

It probably would, assuming Charles follows precedent and his heir becomes the Prince of Wales. That said he'd also still be the Duke of Cambridge, so it's possible that George would use it as a courtesy title.

Yeah, that's the part where I get a bit confused. Like you said, Charles also used "Wales" as a surname when he was in the military rather than using his father's title, Duke of Edinburgh. But I assume that this is because the title Prince of Wales is higher in precedence than his father's title of Duke.

Tinuviel

@aria said in Dead Celebrities 2021 Edition:

But I assume that this is because the title Prince of Wales is higher in precedence than his father's title of Duke.

Either that or because it was his title, independent of any title from his father. Whereas his sons didn't have an independent title until they married.