RL Anger

Roz · Mar 22, 2016, 3:10 PM

@Kanye-Qwest The term gets misused prolifically, but I do think you're right given that some of the harassment is centered on religion.

Deleted · Mar 22, 2016, 3:18 PM

I'm waiting to hear back from the bosses. I reported it and left the job site at the earliest possible moment.

Odds are she won't get in trouble, though. Like I said, it's my word against hers and she's a conservative-christian church lady. Hell she might lie and say I was the one threatening her and get me fired. We'll see how it goes.

Ganymede · Mar 22, 2016, 3:19 PM

@Admiral said:

Odds are she won't get in trouble, though. Like I said, it's my word against hers and she's a conservative-christian church lady. Hell she might lie and say I was the one threatening her and get me fired. We'll see how it goes.

That's the great part about smartphones and recording events with it surreptitiously. It may not be admissible evidence, but it's certainly good enough to get the EEOC snooping.

Deleted · Mar 22, 2016, 3:21 PM

I'll have to talk to my employer about recording equipment. There's a strict no-recording equipment policy at my workplace, we have to sign a little sheet promising to record nothing. Maybe they'll make an exception for personal safety.

Kanye Qwest · Mar 22, 2016, 3:22 PM

@Roz said:

@Kanye-Qwest The term gets misused prolifically, but I do think you're right given that some of the harassment is centered on religion.

And race, and sexuality.

Ganymede · Mar 22, 2016, 3:24 PM

@Admiral said:

I'll have to talk to my employer about recording equipment. There's a strict no-recording equipment policy at my workplace, we have to sign a little sheet promising to record nothing. Maybe they'll make an exception for personal safety.

If you get fired because the woman at issue lied, then you probably don't need to worry about whether your violation will result in your termination.

What the recording will do, however, is provide cause for the EEOC to pursue an investigation into whether you were harassed or subjected to a hostile work environment based on your race, gender, or religion.

Plus, even were your employer to bring up the policy, I doubt they would be able to prove damages resulting from the violation, so a civil suit would likely be of no avail.

Roz · Mar 22, 2016, 3:26 PM

@Kanye-Qwest said:

@Roz said:

@Kanye-Qwest The term gets misused prolifically, but I do think you're right given that some of the harassment is centered on religion.

And race, and sexuality.

Sexuality isn't a protected class everywhere, unfortunately, so it's state by state. I didn't see anything in the post about race-related harassment.

Ganymede · Mar 22, 2016, 3:38 PM

@Roz said:

Sexuality isn't a protected class everywhere, unfortunately, so it's state by state.

This is true, kind of. The federal law prohibits discrimination based on gender, and some circuits have held that discriminating against someone because they are not attracted to the opposite gender is a form of gender discrimination.

Vorpal · Mar 22, 2016, 3:51 PM

There is, of course, the strict religious harassment: The comments that you will go to hell because you don't accept Jeebus squarely qualify as religious persecution and harassment, whether or not she's going for the gay angle.

Ganymede · Mar 22, 2016, 5:03 PM

@Vorpal said:

There is, of course, the strict religious harassment: The comments that you will go to hell because you don't accept Jeebus squarely qualify as religious persecution and harassment, whether or not she's going for the gay angle.

The only problem is that there is a specific defense for religious beliefs in most employment discrimination laws, in accordance with the First Amendment. It muddles the issue when it comes to religious discrimination.

Misadventure · Mar 22, 2016, 5:23 PM

Threat of bodily harm seems most important.

Thenomain · Mar 22, 2016, 5:33 PM

I just learned that atheist beliefs are protected by the religion clause of the First Amendment. Good to know.

I don't have a peeve here. Uh, how about a peeve against terror as a tool from any belief system or culture to any other? Yes, I like that.

Deleted · Mar 22, 2016, 5:37 PM

Alright. The 'solution' the bosses came up with? No punishment for her, no legal ramifications. Instead she gets to come into work two hours later every day and I don't have to see her.

I am... of mixed feelings about it. On the one hand? Yay, safe. They won't be threatening me anymore.

On the downside? This killed my 'promotion' I was supposed to be getting. Also she gets rewarded by not having to work so early.

And I was told if I file a lawsuit against her, I'm fired. This is Texas, so yes. They can do that.

Arkandel · Mar 22, 2016, 5:46 PM

@Admiral I'm not a lawyer, but that's bullshit. And they are horrible bosses.

Lisse24 · Mar 22, 2016, 5:46 PM

@Admiral said:

Alright. The 'solution' the bosses came up with? No punishment for her, no legal ramifications. Instead she gets to come into work two hours later every day and I don't have to see her.

I am... of mixed feelings about it. On the one hand? Yay, safe. They won't be threatening me anymore.

On the downside? This killed my 'promotion' I was supposed to be getting. Also she gets rewarded by not having to work so early.

And I was told if I file a lawsuit against her, I'm fired. This is Texas, so yes. They can do that.

That's awful. Ugh. So sorry:(

SG · Mar 22, 2016, 5:57 PM

@Admiral said:

On the downside? This killed my 'promotion' I was supposed to be getting. Also she gets rewarded by not having to work so early.

And I was told if I file a lawsuit against her, I'm fired. This is Texas, so yes. They can do that.

Isn't Texas one of those crazy sue people for anything states? You sue her for being stupid, and then sue your company for threatening to fire you for standing up for yourself.

If worse comes to worse, file a patent for threatening people with a log stapler, and then take her to that infamous courthouse in west texas we hear about on Ars Technica all the time.

Ganymede · Mar 22, 2016, 6:02 PM

@Admiral said:

And I was told if I file a lawsuit against her, I'm fired. This is Texas, so yes. They can do that.

Depending on your state's laws, it may be required that you report a felony. And what she did may qualify, so you may be legally obligated to file a criminal complaint against her.

If you get fired for filing a criminal complaint for a felony, you can likely seek recourse, despite Texas being an at-will jurisdiction. I believe there's a public policy exception to that rule where you are required by law to take an action, and are fired for it.

Formula 409 · Mar 22, 2016, 6:06 PM

When you say "no onions", and they do it anyway for the 6th time.

Arkandel · Mar 22, 2016, 6:09 PM

I clipped my thumb nail too far. Contact with the salt from my fries alone is not making my life more fun.

Olsson · Mar 22, 2016, 6:14 PM

Witcher III keeps overheating my computer recently, which is a shame as I like it. Also weird since it played just fine for like a week straight when I first got it. Woe.