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@insomniac7809 said in RL Anger:
@Darren Yeah. Just think, if they'd up and die already, it'd do wonders for your commute.
...to be clear, that was sarcasm, you human excrement; you're the sort of person who makes me wish God was real just so there would be a lake of fire waiting for you.
Save it for someone who doesn't volunteer at the soup kitchen twice a week and the homeless shelter every other Sunday. I have nothing against homeless people, only panhandlers many of which are probably not even homeless. Also, you do not get to have an opinion about how I do/do not spend my own money.
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@insomniac7809 said in RL Anger:
@Darren Yeah. Just think, if they'd up and die already, it'd do wonders for your commute.
...to be clear, that was sarcasm, you human excrement; you're the sort of person who makes me wish God was real just so there would be a lake of fire waiting for you.
Save it for someone who doesn't volunteer at the soup kitchen twice a week and the homeless shelter every other Sunday. I have nothing against homeless people, only panhandlers many of which are probably not even homeless. Also, you do not get to have an opinion about how I do/do not spend my own money.
I don't have an opinion on how you spend your money. But having the opinion that people should stop existing for your convenience (or just crawl into some dark cave so you don't have to acknowledge them until you feel like it) makes you, objectively, human garbage.
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@insomniac7809 said in RL Anger:
@Darren Yeah. Just think, if they'd up and die already, it'd do wonders for your commute.
...to be clear, that was sarcasm, you human excrement; you're the sort of person who makes me wish God was real just so there would be a lake of fire waiting for you.
Despite the fact that studies and like, two seconds worth of rational thought show that giving money to people directly is a poor way to help the poor, and that many are doing it because it's easy and lucrative to harass people directly until they get paid to go away, which only breeds more of the negative behaviors that hurt the community as a whole, your outrage continues when @Darren says that he doesn't give money to them directly because it supports negative behaviors?
So, what, professionals who work to make things stretch as far as possible to help the needy and sociologists who study this to find out what's going down just don't know what they're talking about because it leads to insufficient outrage?
Racism isn't Tinkerbell. It doesn't need you to believe in it for it to exist.
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Despite the fact that studies and like, two seconds worth of rational thought show that giving money to people directly is a poor way to help the poor, and that many are doing it because it's easy and lucrative to harass people directly until they get paid to go away, which only breeds more of the negative behaviors that hurt the community as a whole, your outrage continues when @Darren says that he doesn't give money to them directly because it supports negative behaviors?
I concur with this.
From what I have read and can tell, this is a kind of problem. If everyone collectively did not give to the panhandlers, market theory would suggest they would move elsewhere.
I feel compelled to point out that this is not in the Hog Pit, everyone (myself included). If we're going to debate, let's keep it above the belt.
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Just to toss my two cents in here where it isn't needed, I don't usually tend to give money to panhandlers. I DO however buy them food/drinks/other items they might need. Possibly purely selfish of me in the fact then at least I know that what I am donating is being used for the purpose intended, but it is my effort to help out instead of just handing cash out.
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When I was living down south, I was taking the bus to a job interview. A woman got on, sat across from me and started talking to someone she was obviously friendly with. He asked her how that intersection was for working out. She told him she got 1000 THAT DAY.
This is why, like Alamias, I will offer food, drinks, etc.
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I have not seen anyone on this thread say that all we need to do is give to the needy. I hope that is not directed at me. I do think that there are policies that make it very hard for people who have certain circumstances to access safe and secure finances, which also makes it hard to qualify for some housing if you do not have a bank account, and a snowballing of other things.
I hope nobody here begrudges people and organizations trying to step up to fill needed spaces that are not provided by the government where people and children that would otherwise be sleeping in cars or in 24 hour open buildings can come in to sleep in a warm and safe environment and get a (donated, do not worry tax dollars are not spent on this) hot dinner and grab and go breakfast before they leave to work, school, day shelters or programs. There are lots of people that do begrudge it though. Often using language like why cant they pull themselves up by the bootstraps, why dont they give up their kids for adoption, why can't they not have to use these services if they can afford bus fares/homes. Most panhandlers arent homeless. But people often want to see people who are homeless look like third world beggars or else they obviously dont need help but if they do look like that then they dont deserve help because they are garbage people that have no interest in helping themselves.
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@Alamias This. I keep two packs of some travel basics (little floss packs, mini-toothbrush, wet naps, band-aids, small packs of tylenol/advil, tissues, safety pins, etc.) in baggies in my purse.
I pretty much never have money, but I will happily hand over the spare one of these, and carry the extra one more or less for that purpose. It is amazing how surprised and grateful folks have been for some basic things that seems SO simple to most of us. (Small packs of them are stupidly overpriced and when it's tylenol/that bandaid or eating? Yeah, eating is gonna have to win, but we need these things as people.)
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@Ganymede Market theory has its usual issues with assuming that people are able to go elsewhere when they're homeless.
I'm not insisting that anyone give to panhandlers; that's your own business. But objecting to the poors existing at people in public places is disgusting.
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Just last week, I was walking out of Popeyes with my chicken sandwich and cajun fries and this guy approached me in the parking lot, said he hadn't eaten in a couple of days and did I have a few dollars he could have to get something to eat. I was like "Dude I don't have any cash on me but if you're starved I can buy you something to eat. What do you want?". Do you know what he said? He said "Naw, that's Ok."
I have never had anyone take me up on the offer to buy them food. Ever.
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@Darren It makes me think it was only money he wanted, and he wasn't looking to spend it on food.
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If others are not allowed opinions on how you spend your money, which is fair, then you don't get to have opinions about how people spend money you give them. Once it leaves your hand (or how ever the funds are transferred), it's not your money anymore.
Sure, panhandling is a social issue that needs to be addressed. Giving or not giving to panhandlers doesn't determine your morals. Discarding panhandlers as simply making other people's lives worse makes you look like a twat. Sure, some folks panhandle professionally... so? Ignore them and move on with your life.
@Darren It makes me think it was only money he wanted, and he wasn't looking to spend it on food.
Or he was hoping for enough money to buy bread, or something, which can last more than one meal.
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I typically give to charities as opposed to panhandlers as a matter of course. I also occasionally buy soap and deodorant for the indigent prisoners in the jail in the county where I practice because they never have enough and most charities don't serve this populace (at least as far as I have noticed).
I'd rather not give cash to panhandlers either - for a number of reasons - but man this idea of moralizing about what property someone else is allowed to own or what priorities they should have is just gross.
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@insomniac7809 said in RL Anger:
Market theory has its usual issues with assuming that people are able to go elsewhere when they're homeless.
True, but I use my words precisely. When I wrote "panhandlers," I meant "panhandlers" and not "the homeless."
If others are not allowed opinions on how you spend your money, which is fair, then you don't get to have opinions about how people spend money you give them.
Thankfully, I don't subscribe to the rule that no one may have an opinion on how I spend my money, which gives me the liberty to judge the shit out of them.
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Or he was hoping for enough money to buy bread, or something, which can last more than one meal.
Or shoes, a coat, a bedroll. Fare to go wherever he's sleeping. I've talked to a lot of people who panhandle; they're usually not actively starving, but that doesn't mean they aren't saving up for a necessity.
There are a lot of things people need on a daily basis. Food is only one of them.
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When people scoff and say "oh, they're just going to spend it on drugs," it makes me think that those people don't really understand addiction.
I usually give food to the homeless folks I come across. But sometimes I give cash. Whether they're legitimate or they're "scamming" for the grand total of 12k per year, they need it more than I do.
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@insomniac7809 Except according to the story the guys specifically said ' few dollars he could have to get something to eat.'
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@insomniac7809 Except according to the story the guys specifically said ' few dollars he could have to get something to eat.'
It's probably pretty demeaning to have someone over you shoulder while you decide what to get.
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"I need food" just sounds better, for reasons, than "I need money to exchange for goods and services", even if the second might be more honest. So people lie.
