A General Apology from the Guy Who Was Ashur
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@VulgarKitten said:
@surreality said:
Acting like staffers with ethics are rare as unicorns on the hoof is pretty amazingly ridiculous, which is absolutely how @VulgarKitten's post comes across, especially in how... myopic it is in regard to how most MU* staff corps actually function.
So wait. I'm sorry. I think I just hallucinated. My post that says "which, of course, doesn't always happen." comes across like staffers with ethics are rare as unicorns on the hoof? Sounds to me like you're viewing this through a certain lens. A lens named 'I'm probably guilty of this so I'm going to react strongly right now'.
(I'm not even the one who downvoted you for that one, so I'm going to giggle a lot right now.) This tactic is exactly the kind of behavior I was describing: casting aspersions based on foolish assumptions. Thank you for being an example?
I told you precisely how you were being myopic: you assume knowledge and authority to act, both of which are not something you can assume about any staff structure. Both are required to get something done in the case you describe. 'Gives a crap' quickly becomes irrelevant if either of the other factors aren't running in your favor.
And really, see below, 'cause HR covered the rest of this quite neatly.
@HelloRaptor said:
How does this relate to anything to do with logs? I mean, everything is dependent on a non-corrupt staff. If your starting point is corrupt staff, you're already in a shit place.
We were talking (at some point) about how ineffective logs can be. This was an example. Uh. Duh.
Though you're right on one point: I do actually take this shit seriously, though not because of any guilty conscience. (Like I said, nice try there.) I take it seriously 'cause holy shit have I seen whiny princesses screech and flail about how they're being persecuted when the persecution is 100% in their head and they are actually the aggressor and abuser to you and others, staff and player, for months on end, because they have lost any and all touch with reality and you're the staffer who doesn't have authority to deal with them on your own. Really, considering the boatloads of drama you've managed to create over a character name across two MU*s and at least one forum for even thinking this is some kind of major issue at all, honey... don't think where you fall on this particular scale of 'batshit crazy person with a persecution complex' is a mystery to more or less anyone with so much as half a brain.
Duh, indeed.
Oh fucking well.
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@surreality Dude. You just made an awful lot of assumptions based on a couple of my sentences. Throw some more rocks at that glass house
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Goddammit, do I have to start talking about my breasts again all the time? Please let's not go there.
Princess Cattypanties, get it through your little brain:
It does not matter how much a staffer cares (or would care) about the thing you want handled in some fashion if they do not know of your issue, or do not have the authority to act on it.
'Cares' means jack shit in most staff corps.
Things that do count:
- Who has the authority?
- Who knows what's going on?
The simple fact that staff members have been considered in ethical breach for even looking into something like this for a player on request to acquire the 'knows about it' part because they're snooping jobs not assigned to them?
'Obviously doesn't care' as cause for shit not going right is hopelessly myopic.
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Wait. Tell me more! Could you expand on this even further?? With more assumption?
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@VulgarKitten said:
Wait. Tell me more! Could you expand on this even further?? With more assumption?
Seconding @Surreality here. Man, you quit being involved on my site because I nuked your Catriona bit. On a site that had just started work, you felt the need to reserve that name. You're a fucking crazy-ass bitch, if your behavior is any indication. You were when we first met, I gave you a second chance, you proved VERY promptly that it was unwarranted. You're no Spider, but the only reason is that you're not effective. Surreality is dead on here, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see it.
Thanks for playing, though.
Edited to add: I wouldn't worry about it too much, Surreality. @VulgarKitten chooses a female that she thinks is 'popular' and attacks them to give herself more social standing. I've seen her attempt to pull this same bull on at least 3 games.
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... is reserving a name bad? I'd like to play Rain on a WoD game since I love my space van techno, but I don't want to upset people.
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I would find "reserving" a name kind of a shit move, yes. There may well be more people who want to name their character "Fred" or "Catriona" or "Rain" or whatever than just you. If you're making a character you have no intent to presently play just so you can have a specific name, that would kind of piss me off if I wanted to make a character with that name.
Stretch your wings a little. Name it Raine. Or Snow. Or Autumnal Gusts of Wind with Light Precipitation. There are quite a few names out there…
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Oh, well. I meant just hanging out until apping was allowed in. I only make bits if I intend to app.
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There's a difference between reserving a name on one site and running around to games that aren't even built to reserve a name JUST IN CASE you're going to play there someday.
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@VulgarKitten said:
Wait. Tell me more! Could you expand on this even further?? With more assumption?
You realize you're not even making sense, right? I'd be embarrassed for you, but ignorance is bliss, so you go on chasin' that happy.
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I never use the same name in different places. though that does lead to some amusing things. Like total strangers thinking you are their best friend til you say,
Me : No offense but I don't think we know each other.
Them : Weren't you Name at other game.
Me : Nope first time I have used name. then
Them : Embarrassed apology
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@Sunny Wait, what? Assumptions holy shit. I didn't quit your site for any reason other than I stopped having time to do anything. Had no clue you'd nuked the Catriona bit, which I only took for logging on so you would know who it was. As soon as you established a staff naming convention, I switched over to that. Thank you for showing your true colours. Here I thought I was giving YOU a second chance. Yeesh.
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VK's pretty notorious for being Princess Crazypants, yeah. She's been the source of a longstanding headache on at least one of my characters, with various interactions on others being basically just as unpleasant.
And no, she doesn't tend to make much more sense IC or OOC in-game than what she's making here. There is no substance to it, it's all about how loudly she can protest and exhaust the other people.
Racism isn't Tinkerbell. It doesn't need you to believe in it for it to exist.
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@Sunny Fair. I only reserve names if I am genuinely interested and intend to play. I may make a named bit to talk to people. Your game and HR/Lemuria's game sound awesome.
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@VulgarKitten said:
@Sunny Wait, what? Assumptions holy shit. I didn't quit your site for any reason other than I stopped having time to do anything. Had no clue you'd nuked the Catriona bit, which I only took for logging on so you would know who it was. As soon as you established a staff naming convention, I switched over to that. Thank you for showing your true colours. Here I thought I was giving YOU a second chance. Yeesh.
Yeah, okay. Such strange timing, then. It's amazing how that works. No assumptions here darling, just the cold, hard facts. Deny it as you'd like. I never knew you as Catriona, so that's a big fat load of bullshit, too. Do you believe your own shit? You really should consider getting professional help.
ETA: Also, your story sounds great until you realize that you didn't rename, you switched bits. Horse shit.
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I'm always amused that we tend to continue to interact with our community babe Ruth's rather than writing them off and tipping our hat.
I went back and read this entire thread. It's good that an apology spawned staff ethics discussion even if it did devolve into the catriona show.
That being said, reserving a name I think is OK. After all, you're accepting the stigmas from the name so that's your problem.
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@Derp said:
There is no substance to it, it's all about how loudly she can protest and exhaust the other people.
This is exactly the sort of behavior I was describing, so that she went and demonstrated it to perfection was almost like a bonus.
The 'protest, whine, play victim, throw out accusations without any foundation' bullshit behavior from certain parties was one of the two reasons I quit staffing recently. (The other, being totally burnt out after having dealt with the above for months and running out of patience with it, which is something you just have to have to deal with people who are utterly blind to their own behavior as well as basic reality.)
This is pretty much one of the fastest ways to lose ethical staff: heap abuse on them until they decide that trying to ensure everyone's getting as much happy as the game allows is not worth putting up with your crazy flailing.
When you really drill down on it, having ethics requires a lot of self-examination. Having ethics requires a person to ask themselves, often, "Am I doing the right thing?" to avoid the as many of the 'grey area' errors mentioned wayyyyyyyyyback when as possible, if nothing else. If you're not capable of this, or consider this to be a sign of a guilty conscience, well, good luck having actual ethics worth half a damn. You can follow the rigid letter of the law and still be an utterly unethical fuckhead, since no set of rules covers every permutation or circumstance. A sound ethical foundation is required to structure the rules in the first place, but solid practice of those principles is what fills in the gaps to cover all of the endless circumstances nobody ever warned you were possible, or no one ever thought people needed a rule to cover in the first place. (See endless discussions of social contracts as a demonstration of this.)
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@Sunny said:
@VulgarKitten said:
@Sunny Wait, what? Assumptions holy shit. I didn't quit your site for any reason other than I stopped having time to do anything. Had no clue you'd nuked the Catriona bit, which I only took for logging on so you would know who it was. As soon as you established a staff naming convention, I switched over to that. Thank you for showing your true colours. Here I thought I was giving YOU a second chance. Yeesh.
Yeah, okay. Such strange timing, then. It's amazing how that works. No assumptions here darling, just the cold, hard facts. Deny it as you'd like. I never knew you as Catriona, so that's a big fat load of bullshit, too. Do you believe your own shit? You really should consider getting professional help.
ETA: Also, your story sounds great until you realize that you didn't rename, you switched bits. Horse shit.
Believe whatever the fuck you want.
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Catriona is a pretty ugly name, tho.
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@VulgarKitten said:
@Sunny said:
@VulgarKitten said:
@Sunny Wait, what? Assumptions holy shit. I didn't quit your site for any reason other than I stopped having time to do anything. Had no clue you'd nuked the Catriona bit, which I only took for logging on so you would know who it was. As soon as you established a staff naming convention, I switched over to that. Thank you for showing your true colours. Here I thought I was giving YOU a second chance. Yeesh.
Yeah, okay. Such strange timing, then. It's amazing how that works. No assumptions here darling, just the cold, hard facts. Deny it as you'd like. I never knew you as Catriona, so that's a big fat load of bullshit, too. Do you believe your own shit? You really should consider getting professional help.
ETA: Also, your story sounds great until you realize that you didn't rename, you switched bits. Horse shit.
Believe whatever the fuck you want.
It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of facts. You have displayed yourself in this very thread to be precisely what I said that you were, just as you were espousing the attitude Surreality was talking about in your very shrieking about her having said it. A comedy routine could not write this better on purpose.
It's like you've thrown yourself on the ground and are screaming and kicking your feet and waving your hands around yelling, "I AM NOT HAVING A TEMPER TANTRUM!" Really. That's how you're coming across right now. How you've come across every time the switch flips and you go nutters. I know it sounds snotty, but I really do recommend talking to a professional: the problem in your life is you.
