@surreality said:
thing I have to a 'solution' is based on this, to some extent -- that being that some folks, and they're very few in number even after close to 20 years, have earned not a welcome, but an unwelcome. Spider, Jeurg; that class of 'unwelcome presence'.
See, the problem with this is that hindsight is 20/20. Both players you name here have at times being highly regarded by many - I remember when I was first interested in rolling a Mage on HM knowing very little about it I asked @EmmahSue to recommend someone to get points from and she offered Juerg. VAS had been lauded at times as an accomplished ST, was given the reigns to factions voluntarily and people actively tried to get in her coterie/packs.
What I'm saying is that telling the difference between "person who rubs me the wrong way" and "plague who destroys everything they touch" can be a very hard to distinguish at the time. People, even the worst players, have people who really like them and others get pretty bad press without actually doing something horrible just because as a community we can be fairly mean to people if there's a bandwagon pointing their way. "Woo-hoo, I'm in the in-crowd, evidenced by the fact there's a we, and we hate <X>!" is very much a thing.
So sure, after a couple of years patterns emerge and we can have a better idea who's batshit and who's not based on their track record but until then I wouldn't trust any subjective metric other than specific actions to demonstrate it's time to get rid of a player altogether.
In other words, banning a player because he demonstratively sexually harassed someone after being warned to cut it out is perfectly legitimate. Banning them because of general badness... that's another story altogether.