Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and agree with @Cobaltasaurus. But I've said this before, and I think I did so very very early in this very same thread. If you're going to drag the place down, make a thread in The Hog Pit; don't take their advertising thread and fill it with a bunch of whining because you dropped in during a time of low activity or people didn't pay attention to you enough, regardless of the legitimacy of your complaint.
@Admiral said:
The God Machine is the Weaver. He won and banished the rest of the Triat and rebuilt the World of Darkness without all of the excitement of the old universe.
It's why nWoD is so stale.
Wow, it took four whole posts before someone complained! New record. 
@Cobaltasaurus said:
I am not a dog, sir. And I don't mind the code chat. I just like yanking your tail.
I'm guessing he was directing that bit at @Eerie.
@tragedyjones said:
If you were to ST a game/launch a MU, what would the role of the God-Machine be in your world?
Is it a Creator, having made the universe? An invading force, some vague leftover of another time or place? Perhaps it is simply the Operating System of reality? Or a machine crafted by Ancient Atlanteans to maintain the function of the world?
Does the God-Machine cull overpopulated Kindred by repurposing them and creating VII? Did a rogue Occult Matrix on the Moon birth the Idigam? Do the various occult matrices exist to generate enough Mana to maintain a a forced link to the Supernal?
Oooph. Loaded question, brah. I have a ton of answers, some of them highly applicable to Eldritch and many of them not. This makes it really difficult to answer. I'm going to give it some thought. I can't just answer with everything because it might prejudice my game's air of mystery.
But super good question. I would like to see other people's answers.
@Cobaltasaurus said:
@Thenomain said:
I am Thenomain on Skype. I will chat code pretty much any time my brain is not melting.
He will pretty much chat code even when you don't want! Or are unsuspecting of the code!
(runs away)
I give creedence to this claim.
Sometimes I'll be chillin', doin' something innocuous, and I get a Skype ping and I'm like, "Oh, it is the @Thenomain, messaging me about something that is undoubtedly import--"
[code]
"... Theno. Is this important?"
"Yes."
"I was right!"
And they lived happily ever after, amen.
@HelloRaptor said:
then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
Pretty much my point, i.e., it isn't going to happen.
@Derp said:
Quote does not appear to be working for me, so I'll just add this down here first:
...until you recall that the USA formerly enslaved black people, and had the nice little KKK organization running rampant....
Let me first say that I totally respect the need for civil rights and civil liberties, and am more than willing to fight for them on behalf of anyone, because it's just fucking dumb to discriminate.
That said...
I am -so tired- of this lame-ass argument How many users on this forum were born slave owners? None. Our parents weren't. Our grandparents weren't. Hell, our great-grandparents weren't. Throwing up shit that ended 150 years ago as if you've personally suffered under yoke of some plantation owner? Weak. Your parents didn't. Their parents didn't. And on and on back, just like above.
All of that shit was a -century and a half ago-. You were not affected by this act in the slightest. And while I realize that african americans are generally more prone to live in underprivileged neighborhoods, that's a far fucking cry from having whip scars on your back. The closest that you've -ever- been to a slave was that time you watched Roots. So let's not pretend like this has affected you on a deep and personal level. That argument is tired, and you wonder why white people just kind of roll their eyes when people make it.
If you want to see social change? Stop foaming at the mouth and engage in meaningful dialogue. The world is not out to get you. The only person keeping you a victim is -you-.
This is the kind of rhetoric that prevents people from not foaming at the mouth and egaging in meaningful dialogue.
Yes, it still affects everyone. I don't care if you want to accept it or not; I don't care if you agree; the fact that the disenfranchised and underprivileged correlate so perfectly with the previously enslaved and downtrodden evidences this. Not only that, but holy hell are you completely avoiding the systematic social abuse minorities are subjected to every day in the U.S. and how it correlates to their integration as a part of the social structure of the country.
Seriously, stop acting like the past doesn't matter just because it's the past. If minorities are going to be asked to stop harkening back to days when it was even worse, then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
@WTFE said:
Yeah, that box shows up for me too, but on multi-page threads it takes me to the bottom of the first page, not to the last point I read if the last point I read was past the first page.
This is inaccurate in my experience. I've seen it cross several dozen pages to find the last spot I read. Keep in mind it only works on the same machine. If you look at page 1 one Machine A and then read all the way up to page 17 on Machine B, Machine A will still think you're on page 1.
@Corruption said:
For the love of GOD, posebreak please, Theno. It's not hard to install...
I think he's got quite a few things on his plate that come before posebreak. I think %r isn't that difficult to type while he works on everything else.
And now I sleep, in preparation for a long week of +jobs and writing more stuff for the wiki.
It's a figure of speech for most people, @Olsson. You'll notice in my initial post I said I come "from [Italian and Spanish and Catalonian] stock". It's a figure of speech. I'm as Italian as you are German. Even less, since I've never been to Italy. I think you're putting too much emphasis on people's use of the verb "to be", here.
@Cirno said:
We now return to your regularly scheduled thread. Thank you for reading this; if you didn't, that's okay too, as many regulars here insist that I'm just a troll, and whatnot.
I haven't seen anyone call you a troll since you stopped being one.
@Midgardener said:
As well, Beast might be so far Out There that it'll never see a MU, ever.
That's what they said about Demon. 
@Midgardener, well, Mage will never be part of Eldritch, and I highly highly doubt Beast will, either. Sorry.
@Eerie totes pressured me into eventually adding Changeling when 2e comes out, but that's as far as I stretch.
@TNP said:
@Coin said:
We have very, very, very little black people.
Did anyone else immediately picture black Lilliputians? With or without Coin tied to the ground as Gulliver?
A very small amount.
(Because they're so tiny.)
@Arkandel said:
Because it does, and because (as noted elsewhere) people are promoted to the level of their incompetence - it happens everywhere, and it absolutely happens on MU*. Of course it's dumb but the world is full of excellent number-crunchers and workhorses who rose to become managers only to fail utterly.
But aside from all that... you have this person who's your builder, right? Just by being listed on +staff, talking on the staff channel and having access to staff-only boards - which they don't need to dig exits in rooms or check how descriptions conform to game-wide standards - they are exposed to conflicts of interest. People (rightfully or not) see them as staff, rulings in their favor are viewed in a negative context, etc. Plus it's one more person to manage; it's always easier to not hire someone than to fire them if they screw up or just aren't doing their jobs.
And for what? What is the upside of a builder having access to more resources than their function requires?
You're still assuming that it's easier to "fire" them if you don't give them a staff name. People are still going to make a huge fuss if you one day tell them "you can no longer do this". Also, other people's misconceptions is pretty much the worst reason not to do something. No, hire a builder and then you tell them: "you are a builder, if people ask you about things other than build, you pass the buck. Don't read +jobs; read +jobs/mine which is what your staff job entails".
Let's stop reacting to undesired behavior by trying to avoid it and start acting upon it and forming the sort of structure we want. If we do what you're suggesting, we're not actually advancing and progressing towards a better structural system for MU Staff, we're outsourcing Staff functions to players without actually giving them the authority to do things within their field.
It's also easier to divide what you do when you have a separate bit to do it in. Even if you're a job monkey, you don't want all those jobs showing up in your player bit, so you get a Staff bit you log on when you are doing jobs, and that you can log off when you play.
But seriously, my issue with this lies almost entirely in that your suggestion basically plays into people's insecurities and undesirable behavior instead of addressing them in any productive way.
@Corruption said:
@Coin said:
Biokinesis doesn't work that way. It never has. This is stupid. I can make it up, and it would still be stupid.
Oh, I know. When I discovered that, I went and read the rules on it, and went "Uh." I don't remember what poor bastard on the staff had to deal with this guy (who argued that we were wrong and he was right!) but thankfully it was not me. Things that should be kicked to Shang...
Yeah, well. "If you can't understand the limitations of your character's powers, then you can't have them."
I'm such a tyrant.
@Rook said:
@Sunny Are wikis the New Thing for MU*s? I thought that was just a passing fad. But, no seriously, are games expected to have wikis now?
In short: yes. Games are expected to have wikis. They aren't the New Thing. I have been MUing for the better half of a decade and have never been on a game without a wiki.
@Arkandel said:
Also by all means, for all that is holy... it's much better to leave a staff position unfilled than to fill it with someone who's just okay, or whom you don't know very well. Keeping staff lean and efficient is so important in order to have a decent culture to do whatever it is you need to do.
Need job monkeys? Code your game so you can assign code monkeys without making them staff - meaning, without giving them access to your game planning or overall decision-making. Same thing for your Storytellers, same thing for your builders.
This is dumb because it presupposes that being on Staff gives you some sort of innate authority over an aspet of the game that isn't in your "job description".
If I hire a job monkey, they are staff. They are staff because they are doing something that is a staff job: i.e. processing player jobs.
That doesn't mean they automatically get more say regarding game policies, house rules, or plot direction. I don't know where that came from (other than TR putting everything to a non-existent vote that never got anywhere).
"Being staff" should not convey authority over things that aren't within the purview of what you were hired to do. Why would it?
