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@FiranSurvivor said in Fanbase entitlement:

I think in the realm of MUSHing players can be more entitled (deservingly I believe) because of the time and effort spent in the game.

Comparing an entitled player on a MU* to a fan of a TV show is apples and oranges.

There is a much tighter and more intimate social contract involved in playing on a MU then there is sitting on your couch once a week and watching a show, or reading a book. While there are obviously investments involved with the two latter, I dont believe the investment is as intricate or intimate as the former.

I disagree entirely. I spend more dedicated time watching TV or reading than I do RPing at this point. Also, my choosing to invest in something does not, actually, entitle me to anything regarding that thing, regardless of how much I choose to invest.

When I'm working and in the groove and then the system at work just fails to load. Thanks. -_-

@Auspice said in RL Anger:

@Ganymede

But she's definitely been made worse. In some of the comics, she has had arcs (here and there; they can be rare) with real, actual depth. Some of the justifications for her Suicide Squad costumes... 'We want to show that she's owning her sexuality.' I mean, OK. I kind of get that? But at the same time... Not many women (if any) are gonna go to the theater and think 'girl power' with those outfits. They're going to sigh about yet more fanservice.

This especially stands out in memory. Hate the outfit, but otherwise...

The Injustice book is so weird. On the one hand, it has some of the most touching storylines for some characters (like Harley, above) and also the plotting is pretty tightly written because they're one-year arcs, no exceptions; on the other hand, they are so hamfisted in so much of it, it's crazy.

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

It's like you know me or somethin'.

Do I? DO I REALLY? >.>

Yeeeeeesssss..?

And Arrow is just badly written. With or without Olicity, it's horribly written.

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

If I played on a Teen Wolf MU, the character I would want has been gone for like three seasons, anyway. >.>

Jackson?

It's like you know me or somethin'.

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Insomnia said in Fanbase entitlement:

Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.

This also happend and happened in Supernatural fandom. There are whole swaths of the dfandom that complain because the writers "shiptease" them. Carver and Edlund have been called idiots and worse.

One of the reasons I don't play my favorite canon Teen Wolf character on any mu*s that allow features is because just about every Stiles I've encountered wants to get Sterek'd.

If I played on a Teen Wolf MU, the character I would want has been gone for like three seasons, anyway. >.>

@Insomnia said in Fanbase entitlement:

Not really. Supernatural nods and winks with the fans, even using names of a message board that was up at the time when discussing the show. Teen Wolf fans on the other hand are like "No, they're gay and in love, and this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't see it, including the people writing the show are idiots." to the point that the actors talk about it, but aren't very comfortable about it.

This also happens and happened in Supernatural fandom. There are whole swaths of the fandom that complain because the writers "shiptease" them. Carver and Edlund have been called idiots and worse.

@BetterNow said in Fanbase entitlement:

I'm guessing the Teen Wolf thing is something akin to Wincest and Destial stuff in Supernatural? I kind of adore that the writers of the show purposely poke the bear there over and over, and even address it within the story. Like when Sam and Dean found Wincest stuff on the computer based on the book series by Chuck, and Crowley continually calls Cas Dean's boyfriend. Wonderful subversion of rabid fandom.

A little bit, yes. With less actual incest.

@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin
No entitlement there. I did not expect you to not do I think you had any obligation to.
though that was a nice effort.

It's an insult. Doesn't have to be accurate. Didn't you ever go to gradeschool, pooperman?

@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Kanye-Qwest
I don't consider anyone who gets paid to make up stories a victim unless someone is actively stalking them.
otherwise they are just people that other people are commenting on their work.

@coin
Lick me where I pee. (Note I purpose wrote that instruction unclearly to add extra annoyance.)

No. I don't know you. That's only for people I know and like (a lot). You entitled prick.

See? It works.

@ThatGuyThere said in Fanbase entitlement:

I think the term entitlement has gotten a bad rap, because of the common laziness. The actual negative phrase originated as "false entitlement" but people being lazy shortened that to just "entitlement" and well the politicizing of the term to use it when entitlement is legally there but the speaker wishes it wasn't. (Most often in conjunction with social programs)

As far as fan base entitlement goes I tend to be on both sides of the issue, no one in entitled to demand another conform their creative work to their wishes, and no artist of any sort is entitled to an audience. If Joss Wheedan or GRRM decided today to say fuck it and not produce a single thing ever again that is there right, or if the want to end a franchise with rocks fall everyone dies, that is also their right. (Of course depending on the contracts for the property involved either networks or publishers might have a say but you know what I mean.) that said it is also the right of every fan of their works to express an opinion on them.

"Fan Entitlement" is not a new thing. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed of Sherlock Holmes because he wanted to right other things, fans has hissy fits and pretty much badgers him into bringing Sherlock back, all this happened over a hundred years ago.
If you in a creative industry I can see getting sick of dealing with fans, heck i get sick of dealing with other fans of things I like quite often but no one is forced to take that job nor is fan behavior and culture a secret, I have no sympathy for the Wheedon, GRRM, Gaiman or anyone else they had to know what they were opening themselves up to in the choice of their career after all the Sherlock thing happened well before any of their births.

Your criticism of "laziness" being to blame for "false entitlement" being shortened to "entitlement" is hilarious considering your usual justification to any sort of "please write consistent English".

You challenge my descriptivist heart, man. You challenge it.

P.S. It actually comes from sense of entitlement, which can be described as "false entitlement", but since your criticism is all about picking that nit, I figured I'd join in.

P.P.S. I woke up moody as fuck today.

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

@Coin said in

Scydia or bust.

I'd be cool with Scydia before Sterek, hey. Actually there's a really lovely interview with Tyler and Holland talking about the characters' friendship and when it truly solidified for them.

Eh, the creators and writers have gone on record saying they don't think the fans want "realistic, consistent characterization" but rather "surprises!" so I don't expect jack shit and am content with whatever. I mean, the show is a mess and it has been for like three seasons now, but never as obviously as this last one.

I like the characters, but the storylines are horrible at this point. Malia's awesome though. Lydia too.

@Cupcake said in Fanbase entitlement:

I immediately thought of the fanbase of Teen Wolf when I saw this thread. Romantic relationships are a core element of the show that the fandom latches onto, particularly the "Sterek" and "Stydia" types. Sterek shippers tend to adamantly insist the chemistry between the two characters in question is and has always been there and often get angry about it not being pushed into overt presentation and actual canon; Stydia types go into a flurry of "this is our year!" prior to every season. (Final season coming in Nov: THIS IS OUR YEAR!)

It actually got me thinking a lot about mushes that are based on media and how we approach canon on games. I love playing in the canon settings of media based worlds that I love, but I also find I have to be very careful and remind myself to be patient when it comes to how others view canon, and the necessity of canon. It is an acknowledged sense of entitlement, and an awareness that I have to curb my own urge of telling someone UR DOIN IT WRONG.

Scydia or bust.

@WTFE said in Fanbase entitlement:

I would be interested in hearing any credible argument in favour of fan entitlement. I cannot think of any, but this doesn't mean they don't exist.

Depends on what we refer to when we talk about entitlement, but I will give an example I think at least edges into the topic:

Spoiler Alert in case you haven't watch Wynonna Earp and plan to.

On Wynonna Earp, Wynonna's sister, Waverly, goes from dating a total dickswab to falling in love with a girl. The object of her affections, Officer Haught, (yes, pronounced hot), is a lesbian--they use the specific word, and she doesn't contest it!--is totally down with this and they develop a relationship over the course of several episodes.

And then Officer Haught is shot. BANG BANG. Urk.

Waverly runs to her. OH NO, said every Earper (that's the fans!) ever, not another dead lesbian in television god dammit!

And so, we get this scene.

Now, this scene was huge, because it essentially established Wynonna Earp as a show where those tropes that so many people who watch these types of shows hate are broken, molded, and used in unexpected and interesting ways, and where characters--and more importantly, types of characters--are respected and treated with some amount of social conscience regarding what representation means for the fans.

You're asking yourself where the entitlement comes in. Hold on. I'm getting to it.

This scene (and a few others, but mostly this one, led to a ridiculously effective and long-lasting movement on social media, because Syfy and NBCUniversal had not renewed the show yet. #RenewWynonnaEarp, by the way. For over a month, easy, my phone exploded with Twitter beeping as the fandom flooded NBCUniversal and Syfy with #RenewWynonnaEarp, citing this specific scene, as well as other aspects of the show that are progressive and fly against the common, usual eye-rolly script-writing we're all used to, especially regarding the treatment of women, LGBTQ, and people of color, as the reason why they love the show and it should be renewed, yadda-yadda-yadda.

During their ComicCon panel, the show announced that Wynonna Earp is indeed getting a second season (and we all rejoiced, yaaaaaay)! That's GREAT!

You're still waiting for the entitlement. That's okay. Hang on.

The producers and writers cited the fandom's unwavering dilligence when it came to getting this show renewed as the reason it got renewed. Without the flooding of social media, etc., there were no guarantees. Not because it's a bad show, but just because--well--Syfy, NBCUniversal, and television executives in general, y'know? It would hardly have been the first good show to die because executives didn't get it.

In any case--the show is renewed thanks in large part to the fans.

The fans deserve for the show to continue on with this sort of treatment of its characters. I don't know if I would say they're entitled to it, but I think at this point, if next season we get a fridging, or we bury some gays for the dramz, then that's definitely a betrayal of the fandom who uplifted, defended, and got the show renewed based on those aspects they loved.

In this case, I think the fans are "entitled" (and I only use the word because that's the word we're talking about, really) to the characters getting a certain type of treatment in season 2 (and onwards).

I don't know if this example is the sort of thing you were looking for. But it's nice to get it out there because it was such a pleasant surprise.

And if you haven't watched the show and you think you might like a progressive show centering around a pair of sisters that kick demon ass with a magical gun--well, give it a shot. First few episodes are a little iffy, but it gets so much better.

@Thenomain said in Pokemon Go:

Note to Self: @Coin thinks being right three times is "a lot".

Note to self: @Thenomain was wrong again; it is a day ending in Y.

@skew said in Pokemon Go:

@Coin said in Pokemon Go:

So basically--

Valor embraces it as cock-fighting slave culture, Mystic shoots itself in the foot by pointing out that the creatures they're enslaving and using in cock-fights are actually way smarter than most people think, and Instinct isn't giving it much thought at all because lulz cock-fighting.

Man, if that isn't an analogy for the way modern society views just about any social issue, I don't know what is.

Remember when you told me Pokemon was a clear cut example of a dystopian world?

Do I remember when I was right? Yes. I mean, not every time I was right; that's a lot. But I remember that one specific instance.

<.<

@Apos said in RL things I love:

@surreality Glancing at that link, one piece of commentary about Anne Rice's explosion jumped off the page at me:

"I suspect that most authors don’t really want criticism, not even constructive criticism. They want straight-out, unabashed, unashamed, fulsome, informed, naked praise, arriving by the shipload every fifteen minutes or so."

That sounds very uncomfortably close to our hobby here.

Neil Gaiman transcends.

@surreality She's so batshit her middle name is Guano.

@Arkandel said in RL things I love:

@Coin Yeah, it makes me angry.

S- something you love in RL makes you angry?

@Arkandel said in RL things I love:

Not quite anger but... so this woman came into the men's locker room this morning. No one happened to be naked at the time but she just strolled in without saying a word, entered the bathroom, left the door half-open, peed (it was audible) then she walked out again.

We were kinda exchanging looks after, like... what just happened here? I guess maybe the girls' bathroom was occupied but still - and she never said a word, either.

Look at the title of the thread. Really look at it.