Is the spell slot system your only gripe with it? Because it also has a points system. They originally used it for psionic stuff, but ... one of the gamelines converted it over to magic, too. It tends to give you a little more flexibility with what you can do.
Currently working through wheel of time, when I don't have to read for school.
@Coin said:
"John Dies at the End" is pretty great.
Agreed. This is one of those things that I can legitimately hipster about, because I was reading it when it was still just free and published per chapter online.
Don't forget 'This Book Is Full of Spiders' too.
@Cobaltasaurus said:
While, yes, there are a few people just saying: "Hey this change has caused me X problems". There are also several- not just one -people in the thread screeching "I didn't ask for this! This is the fucking worst thing in existence!" and it's a pretty shitty attitude.
Well, the entire point of creating a website is to present something visually appealing and easy to use to share information with an audience. In a forum like this, I don't think there's much question that it's meant to appeal to a wider audience too.
So, given that, and the general reactions a while back when @Glitch posted a thing about this and said 'check out the new look', and the response to it even then was 'hate it, yuck, no', So yeah, his point actually does have merit, and the people that you write off as screeching and having a shitty attitude about it are just as much target users as anyone else on this forum. They have a voice, they offer feedback, and not working to make something that appeals to them is counterproductive. They do not like this. They stated before it went up hat they didn't like it, in some cases, and it happened anyway. They're allowed to express their frustration and anger about something that didn't need to happen happening. That desn't make it a shitty attitude.
You may not agree with the point, and that's fine, but the point has merit on its own.
Also, potentially tangentially related:
tag-tags. White on white? For srs? Am I the only one seeing this, or is this a skinwide thing?
Also, upvote consistently returns 'Invalid Data'
Everything that @BetterJudgment says is true, and then some.
This is horrible.
~Please, please undo.~
Yeah, hating this immensely. Giant icon in the middle of things. Just no.
Wasn't SoS aramaic, though? (I mean, sure, Greek is good when you want dirty, but I tend to not rely on it too much when translated to english. Greek had plenty of words for homosexual that Paul, a prolific writer and educated judge, didn't use, but damn did he love making up some words that all get translated as 'effeminate' in english.)
Still, this game looks like something I would play... >:)
Nobody regrets rogues. They're one of the most versatile classes you can play. And they have enormous damage output.
@Coin said:
"Everyone does everything" isn't a good model. "Anyone can do anything [if they're knowledgeable about it]" is much, much better.
So far, this model seems to be working out pretty well.
Mage was originally slated for... well, now, I think. Changeling, who knows?
Dude, werewolf has a gift that lets you switch sexes at will, and it's 1xp.
Seriously, don't be ruling out the werewolf dudes just because they're dudes. They can fix that!
@Olsson said:
@Ganymede said:
When they ask whether you can make an unbiased judgment based on the facts, just say no, and blame everything on Obama. You'll be fine.
Honest question, how come people don't just say no to that to get out of it everytime? Or is there a system to check against it? Or just people actually wanting to do their civic duty.
At least here, they've gotten somewhat smarter about that and started asking a series of questions about the (newly revised) penal code, selecting a few at random to ask about what people think of someone who has been accused of X. Also because many people are not actually aware of how all this goes down, so they don't know to do that.
@HelloRaptor said:
@Derp
I usually encounter it more as an OOC matter of Bob's player wanting XYZ and so handwavium applied, Bob does some nebulous shit and just happens to come up with that exact stuff, because he happened to OOCly see the writeup.
And that differs from anyone else getting a legacy how? You meet the initial prereqs and request it, and then every time you hit the shit for a new attainment you, like, update your note or whatever. Generous amounts of handwavium are often applied to this, just like with learning arcana, because nobody wants to go through all of the arcane tedium of trying to figure out how to make it A Big Mystery.
I mean, I personally love that kind of RP, but it's not everyone's bag by a long shot, and most people just bitch and whine if you don't let them throw dice at things and not have to figure out how it works. So really, that's any legacy at all, even ones right out of the book.
There are ways of determining what someone's legacy is all about. I don't remember what the exact specifics of that are, but it has something to do with Soul Marks. Other than that, though, a legacy is just soulshaping with a specific purpose in mind, so just because Bob and Superdude shape their souls in the same way doesn't really amount to much. Superdude might have been taught his legacy, or come up with it on his own, but either way, one mage figured it out through whatever patterns of arcane ritual and introspection they do, and so could another.
I get what you're saying. It's just irrelevant. One mage did it. That means that another mage can do it too. If one mage wants to become a Tremere Lich and doesn't have a teacher, he could go and torture some poor vampire just like the very first ones did.
Especially since the Orders all teach a generally codified method of magical technique and examination, which gets disseminated across generations and countries, oceans, etc.
So while it might seem cheese to you, that doesn't make it an invalid method of doing it. If you wanna talk about lucking into it, shit, Fate 2 would let you 'luck into it'. It's -magic-.
Well, it says any legacy that you don't meet the restrictions for you can be taught anyway, your teacher just loses a dot of status with whatever group is keeping it exclusive to themselves. I mean, technically, every legacy is exclusive to something, path, order, subgroup. Something. So there is no such thing as not being able to be inducted into a legacy if you find a teacher that's willing to teach you. The requirements listed in the legacy are just those that they commonly look for (i.e., the ones that a teacher won't take a status hit for teaching).
Edit to Add: There are also, if memory serves, examples of people having a legacy that they otherwise wouldn't meet the requirements for but developed themselves (which is how many of your offshoot legacies get formed in the first place), but I can't remember where I saw that in.
@HelloRaptor said:
There are Legacies that are explicitely never taught to anyone outside of a particular group, which make a point of what 'carefully guarded secrets' they have, and others that are noted to only be possible through learning them from a particular item or by exposure to blah blah blah entity. All of which becomes moot if you can just exactly duplicate another Legacy because your player thinks that shit is cool. Even if it does cost you more.
Potentially true in the fluff of the writeup, but not true according to the base rules of the game. Other than what was already mentioned above, teaching a legacy to someone that shouldn't have it costs you a dot of status. Secrets don't tend to stay secret for long in mage. It's one of the things the whole game is based around. They're the Anti-Demon.
So you looking at it with a critical eye is fine, but asking them to change something that there are already mechanics for in not one but two different ways is sort of lame.
@Arkandel said:
The player-made Legacies on TR at some point were a terror with some of the most powerful spells picked as reflexive, free Paradox-free effects (and that's Mage, so they were really potent). So after they got them, campaigned for the Legacies to remain exclusive to them alone. Grumble.
I would laugh at them. The rules themselves don't support it. Someone else can come and make that very same legacy at +1 Gnosis costs, just like they did. IF they teach it to someone, that's a different story and they can buy at at the regular gnosis costs. Either way, there is no such thing as a legacy that can't be gained by someone else, ever, if they're willing to sink all that xp into it and wait longer for it.