Posts made by Derp

@Wretched said:

Except that not everyone is good at, or even wants to run plots. Everyone has a PC and plays the char and the like to gain XP. Telling a story has nothing to do with your PC. So why should your PC gain for something that doesn't involve them? Why should I, fall behind when I play my PC, for not Running plots? Currently, on some games, the best way to gain Xp is to just run plots and never play your PC. Which seems weird.

As Sunny says, you can get chunks of Xp for it.

It's all well and good to say it's a choice, but at as I say, not everyone is inclined to do these things and It is often not what people sign up for. They sign up to Rp a character, but when major advancement of that character comes from not playing that character, something is off.

People signed up to play a character in the world of darkness, as I explained above. If they choose to sit arond and chat it up in WoW, then they're also not going to advance.

I covered all of these things in that thing above, actually. If you're not good at it, then you have two choices: Learn, or don't. The consequences of such are completely on you, and nobody else. This is not something unavailable to you, just something that you have to invest in.

As far as getting 'chunks' of xp for it, unless you're a tier character, you generally get the same amoun of 'xp' as the PCs in the scene get, so whether you were there as the PC or the ST is largely irrelevant. If you're playing a Tier, like on TR, then you get an extra 5xp a month. Month. On a game where everyone is up to 800xp+ within 6 months with the catchup system alone.

Not really that game-breaking of a difference.

@Wretched

Two words here that need to be focused on:

Setting - This includes the style of game that you are playing. Meaning that part of your setting is realizing that you are playing a character in he World of Darkness (usually) and that the Storytelling System governs that world. You can choose to ignore that if you like, but the people that play within it will ultimately be more advantaged. It's just that simple. Example: I can sit around RP chatting with my friends on World of Warcraft, and never do raids, because I don' think I have the skillset to keep up with something like that. But I will also fall behind in terms of skills, equipment, etc, and it will be much harder for me to keep up. Doesn't mean I'm doing it -wrong-, but I don't get to bitch about raids dropping better stuff either.

'Wants To' - Bingo. This is your choice. It's not something that's forced on you. You aren't forced to get less xp because you aren't allowed to run stories. You choose to. So while this might be a valid playstyle for you, it's not enough of a justification to penalize the people who can run stories and take on that extra responsibility.

@Miss-Demeanor said:

And some people just aren't confident in their ST'ing abilities, yet inevitably end up falling behind xpwise simply because they can't or won't ST since there's really not any other way to make up the xp lost by not ST'ing. Just because its an option, doesn't make it one that works for everyone.

Well, in a Storytelling game... that's the whole point? I mean, I suck at FPS games. My friends play Call of Duty and Halo and shit all the time. I absolutely know that I suck at those games, suck at the style, etc, etc. I know that I'm worse than them at it, and that in terms of leetness, I will never be as good.

There is no shame in this thing. It's just the type of game that it is. But the people who can shouldn't feel handicapped because of the people who can't. If you aren't comfortable with it, then learn. If you're unwilling to learn, then perhaps this is not the genre of game for you.

Again, 'you' here in the general sense, not you specifically. But I think that this argument is a weak one, all around. It's a storytelling game. It requires telling stories within a specific ruleset. That's how it works.

@Sunny said:

@icanbeyourmuse said:

I'm in the party that players shouldn't be able to advance their chars for doing things for others. It is mildly annoying because they are getting oodles of XP when it doesn't have to do with their char.

It's a fair perspective. How do you propose to encourage a game-culture of doing things for other people, if you're not interested in incentives?

It's also not exactly unreasonable. Other people can get xp for STing too. It's not like it's restricted to one person. And the person STing is taking time out that they could otherwise be using to be in a scene themselves. So it's not an unfair system.

To me, this always sounds like ' I wan the same thing but I don't wanna have to do the other thing' which may or may not be true, mind. It's just how it always ends up sounding.

@Arkandel

Sure. I was a Tier there for a bit, I know the drill. Mage Tiers were weird, though, because it was fairly hard to herd people together into anything more meaningful than 'see who wins init first and blasts something to itty bitty bits'. When I did mine, I generally did them along the lines of 'Put out an advertisement for what a player is needing, and then run them from there.' This could be Awakenings, astral journeys, seance scenes. Stuff like that.

And 'scenes' make up 'plots'. Plots can be just one scene. Or they can be many. Either way, WoD rewards sessions with beats, which can be less than one, one, or more than one scene. It's still fairly subjective.

@Arkandel said:

The only type of Storytelling you don't want is the fake one. The non-plot things ("pizza party at my place!11!") made pretty much to squeeze XP out of the system.

Anything else - stuff ran for friends, for coteries, for whatever - still scales better than anything else. There is nothing you want less for your game than players sitting bored.

If you don't like the idea of handing out XP for balance purposes fine - come up with something else, such as social recognition or whatever else.

I like this, but I disagree on one point. 'Pizza party at my house' can just as easily be a good thing to have in your games. It gets players together, allows for character development to happen. Whole packs or cabals can be done around that. Same with beach parties, etc. So long as you can show that something relevant to the story happened, then I see no reason why not to allow something like this. Even at the table, not all scenes are action scenes, and those are awarded with a beat the same as any other. Not all plots need be action things, and not all of them need involve antagonists. Sometimes, creating those bonds is just as important.

If me and Maryanne get together for our weekly friday chess match and discuss the larger metaphysical aspects of the universe, and help each other solve our problems that we're actively discussing there in a way that helps move the story forward, then I don't call that fake.

So, you know. This is subjective. It won't get as many beats as the action packed thing where you whoop someone's ass, and so they'll grow slower, but they should still grow from this. Even Luke Skywalker had a few chats with Obi-Wan along the way.

@Chime

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@Chime said:

@Derp That's likely a function of which games are correctly configured to autostart. Yell at @thenomain, maybe...

He'll probably ask me to fix it tho.

Internet cookies to whoever fixes it first.

The Reach is up. Eldritch is not. I don't know what other games are up or down because I don't play there.

@Coin said:

@Derp said:

Most of them are more than happy to talk to the pubic.

if they have long conversation with it, they might even decide to act as your attorney. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Lol, man, I'm just the king of typos this week.

@Corruption said:

GRAH! I'm angry, I thought the house was paid off and done, and after years of sending just under half our monthly income to pay the Land Contract were over. I was looking forwards to groceries, the occasional McDonalds run, a little spending money even.

Nope. The person holding the contract now insists that we owe her for June. Also, she says that the Land Contract deal over-rides us starting as tenants, so we don't get our security deposit (1 month's payment) back either,

This sucks.

Lawyering up at the free legal clinic, Filing a claim's going to cost about $180.00.

If this costs me the cats I was adopting because we can no longer pay the adoption fee, I am going to be beyond angry.

I'm in Indianapolis, Corruption. You can also go to McKinney Law School. You will usually find people -more than happy- to talk to you about all sorts of legal issues. Talk to some of the contract law professors there. They might not act as your attorney, but they can at least point you in the direction you need to look for legal resources. Most of them are more than happy to talk to the pubic.

@BetterJudgment said:

@Arkandel said:

@Luna said:

Unpopular opinion time...some revealing clothing should just not be worn by some people. And furthermore, we're back to don't be trashy. Revealing clothing isn't always trashy but some sure as hell is.

I'll just talk about guys. Spandex-wearing guys that is, bicycle-riding ones. People who don't belong in tight-fitting athletic spandex-made clothes with brand names and logos on them. Come on, that's not an attractive look, and no one thinks you're an athlete because you're wearing $500 worth of athletic gear from SportChek.

I knew a bicyclist who absolutely should not have worn spandex--not because he wasn't athletic (he was), but because his nickname seriously should have been Tripod. It was both intimidating and embarrassing.

See, this gets filed under the same category as public boob for me. But I also appreciate the, uh, finer points of both sexes, so I suppose it's different. But it's anatomy. We shouldn't be so spooked by it.

I like the current thing, but I think that's mostly because it doesn't look like the other forums out there. The fact that it's got the nifty app-icon looking categories appeals to me. I'm sure it'll make no difference in my usage, I just think it looks neat as-is.

@Ganymede said:

@Derp said:

Having terrible children shouldn't be a carte blanche pass to inflict them on others.

And yet, adults with shitty attitudes believe they have a carte blanche to inflict them on others.

Not applicable to this situation, mind, because I'm in Raptor's and your camp regarding movie theatres. I'm just dealing with a rash of shitty, shitty people right now.

I generally try not to have too shitty of an attitude. I tend to be pretty zen about most things most days. I have my own personal peeves, naturally, but I try and stay rational. I honestly don't understand people who don't operate in this mode. They kind of baffle me.

This doesn't always happen, mind you. I'm human. Sometimes, when I think that someone is absolutely deserving of my shitty attitude, I won't hesitate to inflict it on a motherfucker. But those instances are rare. Occasional outbursts I understand. It's people that just kind of operate in constant rabid antagonism that make my eye twitch and my soul hurt.

@HelloRaptor said:

I've grown far less tolerant. Maybe just in movie theaters. I will not hesitate to notify ushers, security, management, whoever is supposed to get notified about disruptions, if someone's kid is being a disruption for more than a short period. Or repeatedly over numerous short periods.

Is their kid disabled? Perfectly abled but still a little monster? On medication that makes them irritable? I do not give a fuck, get out.

Oh, also libraries. If you can't stop your kid from screaming non-stop, get the fuck out.

I put up with noisy ass kids in restaurants, malls, grocery stores, on the train, in the park, all over the place. I game with friends who have four kids ranging between 8 and 1, and aside from the occasional physically painful shriek, I don't bat an eyelash at them being little monsters, but if they brought them to a movie theater and those kids couldn't control themselves? I'd have their asses out in a heartbeat.

Which they know, and so they don't take their kids if it'll be a problem. If that means they just don't go to movies if they can't make arrangements, then it does. And yeah, it sucks for them, but too bad. They chose to be parents, not the rest of us,. There's other places, other ways, you can go out and get your public on where people will feel obligated to put up with poorly behaved (for whatever reason) children. The movie theater isn't one of those places.

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty much right there with you. I'm still in the 'hire a babysitter' camp. I'll happily acknowledge that I have no kids, and thus people should take my opinion with a grain of salt, but damn. This just seems like common sense/common courtesy. Having terrible children shouldn't be a carte blanche pass to inflict them on others.

@Sunny said:

@Three-Eyed-Crow

I used to get SUPER defensive whenever the topic of metaposing came up, because I almost always do a fair bit of my-own-PC-mocking in my poses amongst other things. Eventually, I really did realize that when people said 'no, no, not how you do it, that's fine' that it was actually the case.

I think that in a lot of games, especially World of Darkness games, metaposing is one of those things that should happen. It's a storytelling game. Tell the story.

@SG said:

@Roz Hahaha, I've encountered these types too, but there's another type that I find quite puzzling. When people play hyper-abrasive assholes or complete creeps.

I was playing on shadowrun a little while back and someone poses in being a really aggressive, rude asshole. Then they got bitter on +pub when characters that were better socialized just left rather than be around that. I just don't understand why anyone would choose to socialize with a character like that unless they were trapped on an island.

Is it because I work in the service industry that I have a low tolerance for characters like this? Or have I just not seen 'edgy rp' done well?

I think that this is usually only done well when there is a lot of OOC communication. My characters can definitely be dickish sometimes, and don't hesitate to be rude, but I try my best to be pleasant and cheerful OOC, and to let people know that the player is not the character, and vice versa, and work with them OOC on how we'd like to progress. I can often find ways of resolving the conflicts.

Usually.

@Eerie said:

@Bobotron said:

@Eerie
I love you Eerie and I can only hope that the next game I run turns out so awesome at the start of it.

I feel like I should just close now so I can go out on a high note. Goodnight Internet! Mic drop!

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@Eerie is pretty much pure awesome. Anyone who disagrees is just, you know. A commie or something.